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This all gives them all more reason for the russians to say, you know, the using ukraine as a surrogate is a proxy against russia is all the more real and that, that nato is not going to cease and desist that is not going to look at the facts on the ground, its not seriously going to talk about negotiations. Mean this is quite extraordinary. Go ahead, sir. Well, nato is committed. It exists for the attempt to destroy russia, to dismember russia, to impose regime change. So they can loo, russia. That is the purpose of nato. So yes, ukraine is, is a proxy. And so are all the other new members of...

Has done something without being forced by the public. Personally, ive seen for the 1st time in my life that we have a satellite, bob up next is Peter Lavelle on course. So and union oneill will be here. The seat is the stories of the hour. Im right. Hm. Army, was he all an excellent day with with ah, ah hello and welcome to cross stock, were all things are considered on Peter Lavelle every once in a while the mask slips. Nato secretary general sultan burg said the obvious one saying if putin wins, this is not only a big defeat for the ukrainians, but it will be the defeat and dangerous or ass...

A lot more besides waiting has all this view on our website with ah ah ah, ah ah, ah hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle, every once in a while, the mask slips, nato secretary general sultan berg said, the obvious one saying if putin wins, this is not only a big defeat for the ukrainians, but it will be the defeat and dangerous or assault. Yes, nato is at war with russia so much for the claim of being a defense of alliance ah, cross sucking natos war, im joined by my guest nichol. I petro in kingston. He is professor of Political Science at the univ...

Cross sucking natos war. Im joined by my guest nichol. I petro in kingston. He is professor of Political Science at the university of rhode island in jersey city. We have sarah founders. She is co director of International Action center. Her upcoming book is sanctions a wrecking ball in a global economy. And in Mount Jackson, we have karen about koski. She is a retired United States air force Lieutenant Colonel who serve both an essay and the office of secretary of defense. Are a crosswalk rose in effect. That means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciate nickel. I like to r...

A lot of people believe exactly the same thing. Thats why the stakes are so high. Go ahead mic like i agree with you completely and like you said, what else is new . But that, thats why rhetoric has become more and more i would say clearly, and he western identifying the west as the primary and tannist to russia here. And i think because of these kinds of statements by leading western politicians, his assessment has also become more widely accepted if not in the west than throughout the rest of the world. Ok, well sarah, essentially the same thing because it was when we see what we look at. Fo...