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Way the first debate went, alicia machado, all of that. how much worse do you think this makes it and what can trump do now, given the depth of the hole he's dug himself in? >> let the record show at 4:01 p.m. on october 7th, this election ended. this -- when this "washington post" story broke. this is so lewd -- and i actually, yesterday morning, said on "morning joe," you watch, in the next week, once a week, there will be stuff with women coming out. because this man has lived this way for 30 or 40 years. hillary clinton's been vetted. this is his first go around, and they've been saving th...

First. we fully expected that that was going to be the case. >> do you think the dnc could be leaking to the media? you all have been concerned all the along that the dnc is trying to help the clinton campaign. >> there was another fire wall failure at the dnc back in october that we discovered. we reported it at that time to the dnc. it seems to us pretty clear that a bunch of our data probably was compromised. we didn't run to the media. we didn't raise a big stink about it. in this particular instance, the dnc, i think, clearly was talking to the media. they had documents, activity logs tha...

Historical moment when one political party is standing against literally the entire world. >> it's a political consensus, not a scientific consensus. >> it's both. >> politically, just in terms, i was struck by, from the republican side this week, john kasich's campaign put out a statement. i didn't hear much from the republican campaigns, i wonder if it's something they'd rather not talk about. >> no. the way bill clinton would talk about these issues, it's about the economy, the economy is not really high up on the list right now. the economy's doing pretty well. republicans have so many oth...

His own party. keep your mouths shut. >> i have told my own republican colleagues and friends, shut up, talking about things that you don't know anything about. and unless you're on the committee, you have no idea what we've done, why we've done it, and what new facts we have found. >> and kasie hunt joins us now. so kasie, thursday is the big day for trey gowdy. how do you expect he's going to handle this? >> reporter: steve, gowdy has been a key force in this drip, drip, drip of e-mail information that we've been dealing with over the past couple of months. but as that pressure has mounted o...

Kasich, rubio, bush. i'm sensing issues with all of them. >> there are issues with all of them. like mark said, you see trump in front, then ben carson in second. carly fiorina and then the establishment vote is split several different ways. it's quite interesting because in the past when it comes to campaign advertisement, usually, you campaign to get on top. now, it's more of a sign that anything that your campaign is in trouble, that you're spending or the super pac is spending all of the money on the air waves, which is the case with bush. >>, ma, today, we had rand paul's campaign put out...