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Unprecedented in american politics, and that in and of itself is deeply, deeply troubling no matter what the legal ramifications are. the idea that a campaign representative would welcome the interference of a foreign power in a u.s. domestic election is truly without precedent and it is something that should be disturbing to all of us as we think about upcoming elections. >> there is a difference between seeing that don junior took this meeting and invited paul manafort and jared kushner to the meeting and making a that the now-president, or then-canned adtrump actually knew of the meeting or...

If the russian kgb chief is talking to paul manafort and the chief says you know i got this dirt here that says hillary clinton was this or that -- >> but this's no evidence any way. >> and paul manafort says next wednesday i want you to release that. that would be great for us. i don't know if that's the crime at all. >> collusion is not a crime. only an anti-trust law. you can collude all you want with a foreign government in an election. there's no such statute. >> and they might say as a trump campaign representative, wow you have that? tell the american people the truth. let them see it t...

That. that would be great for us. i don't know if that's the crime at all. >> collusion is not a crime. only an anti-trust law. you can collude all you want with a foreign government in an election. there's no such statute. >> and they might say as a trump campaign representative, wow you have that? tell the american people the truth. let them see it themselves. is that a crime to release it, to show the truth, to show damaging information. >> collusion, while it's alarming and highly inappropriate for the trump campaign of which there's no evidence of colluding with the russians, it's not a c...

Clinton had destroyed on her server when she committed a felony and tried to cover up her crimes? and that they might say, as the trump campaign representative, wow, you have that? tell the american people the truth. let them see it themselves. release it. is that a crime to say release it? >> so, ken, so the new line might turn out to be, if sean hannity is ahead of the curve here, what's wrong with what they did? >> yeah, this is a puzzling defense to say the least. i mean they actually do have some sound defenses to fall back on, which is that russia did, in fact, as trump is increasingly a...

Of this campaign, what will you do? >> senator franken, i'm not aware of any of those activitie activities. i have been called a surrogate at a time or two, and i did not have communication with the russians. i'm unable to comment. >> jon: byron, if attorney general sessions is to be believed, he says that he did have contact, but it was in his role as united states senator, and not as a campaign representative or surrogate for the trump campaign. those that pass muster? >> that's what he says and he can say more. it wasn't a secret meeting that he had in his office. on these calls for recusal...