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Anything like, hey, wait a minute. how did you a brand-new company get all of this data with facebook user i.d.s. 50 million, that is a lot and it was the entire data base. nobody was concerned about conc? to me what's so horrifying about this whole thing with so much news is that facebook continues to pretend like there is a semantic distinction relative to whether there was a breach or not. it has nothing to do with t. >> but to that point, facebook already has all this information, right? the question is what you do with all this data. they legally have people's information. >> of course, n...

His foreign client. it's hard to conceive of that in another presidential campaign setting, or am i wrong? >> no, you're absolutely right, chris. what you have here is an example of how much leadership really matters, both good and bad. and when you have a presidential candidate who sets the tone in the way president trump did, not releasing his tax returns, encouraging russia to interfere in our elections, then the signal is received by especially his team. and indeed it was. and not only, by the way, that signal received by his team, it's also received by interlocutors around the world, fore...

It's hard to conceive of that in another presidential campaign setting, or am i wrong? >> no, you're absolutely right, chris. what you have here is an example of how much leadership really matters, both good and bad. and when you have a presidential candidate who sets the tone in the way president trump did, not releasing his tax returns, encouraging russia to interfere in our elections, then the signal is received by especially his team. and indeed it was. and not only, by the way, that signal received by his team, it's also received by interlocutors around the world, foreign governments, esp...

And then this week, the president went to phoenix, arizona for that very controversial campaign-style rally amidst other calls of unity. then he did something that now, in the midst of this hurricane, takes on a very different light. he spoke directly with his political crowd in that campaign setting about what appears to have been, we know tonight, a use of his presidential power, his authority to potentially pardon sheriff arpaio. >> do the people in this room like sheriff joe? [ cheers and applause ]

About when president trump knew about this meeting? >> no doubt about it, pamela. this is really the first major instance that donald trump started discussing potential dirt on the clinton's and threatened to use it in a campaign setting. the fact he never did raises more questions. why did he decide not to? is it because they went to the meeting and there was no dirt to be had? we are not sure. the fact he started talking about this shortly after this meeting was being arranged does raise the question of did he know about it. don jr. says he did not tell his father, but don jr. is also being ...