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Democrats have a vision about where they want the focus to be and i want to share some tweets by john podesta, tony's brother who just walked away from the firm bearing their families name, john podesta tweeted this "not bad enough that i was the victim of a massive cybercrime directed by the russian president, now i'm the victim of a big lie campaign by the american president. donald trump seems a lot more worried than july 2016 when he asked the russians to hack our campaign, your response to that? >> this is somebody who ran a campaign that was terrible, you are trying to deflect up your ow...

Were dangle in front of him, the same way they were dangle in front of trump jr. were never produced. the only emails of course we heard about were emails hacked from the democratic national committee. not emails from hillary clinton's server. >> laura: all right. so, papadopoulos though could be a real problem. and why? or he is a volunteer capacity. was he trying to get in big with the larger campaign structure? they reference a couple of different campaign supervisors. they are calling him a cooperating witness of some sort? >> i think it's premature to characterize mr. papadopoulos' small ...

Get it out of the way. it does seem like this is such a cliche to talk about the drip drip drip, but it doesn't help the white house, does it? >> no, i agree with that. and i think they're going through the process of trying to figure this out. but people forget about things that they did. claire mccaskill forgot she met with the russian ambassador, so did nancy pelosi. they're trying to gather this information. i think the bigger context of what was going on, did the trump campaign collude and all that sort of thing. i wasn't on the trump campaign but i had a front row seat. they had a diffic...

Said anybody who is in the white house and has had a meeting should just hold a meeting with special prosecutor mueller and get it out of the way. it seems such a cliche to talk about the drip, drip, drip, but it doesn't help the white house, does it? >> i agree, and i think they're going through the process of figuring this out. clara mccatskill forgot she met with the german leader. there was a time the trump campaign had a difficult time colluding with the rnc. this is a campaign that doesn't look like other campaigns because the candidate was the communications director, the campaign manag...

>> well, this clearly -- i think one thing all of us can agree on is this is a meeting that never, never, never should have happened. >> but we're not all agreeing on that. president trump has said over and over everybody would take that meeting. >> well, i'm not sure that president trump thinks it was a good idea for this meeting to happen. i think he's justified it as kind of a rookie mistake and something that's par for the course in campaigns, but i think don junior himself has made what i think is the correct point which is if you had to do things over again, he would do things very, very...