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Chief of staff when he was doing these activities . the likely standard is whether or not what he was doing was related to his official status. and as their previous speaker indicated, campaign stuff is not related to your official status. likewise, messing around with the electoral college standards is not part of your official acts. if meadows doesn't have this argument, it's inconceivable then that schaffer and others who are trying to go under their umbrella would have this argument as well. >> and jennifer rogers, there's the separate aspect to this, which is also interesting when they, i...

The direction of the former president? how convincing is that to get it to federal court. >> i think that's a stretch to get that into federal court. i think the stretch is mark meadows stretch first. he clearly was acting as chief of staff and the question is whether the law says that all you have to do is be a federal official, these acts -- charged acts of crime took place while you were a federal the official. it's clear this judge has rejected that argument because if that argument were accepted, meadows would be in federal court now, since he clearly was chief of staff when he was doing ...

Force him to spend campaign money on campaign stuff when he can spend it on legal issues instead. >> laura, i want to read to you something about the detail in this 97 pages. for instance, in the indictment it says, members of this enterprise, which she has labeled a criminal enterprise as part of the racketeering charges against all of them, members of the enterprise, including several of the defendants, corruptly solicited high ranking united states department of justice officials to make false statements to government officials in fulton county, georgia, including the governor, the speaker ...

Deranged crack head anymore. so the gag order would be broader and that has not happened yet. i think a partial gag order would come down the line. trump is running for president, how can we forget, and he does have the ability and the right to speak about campaign stuff and political stuff. at some point it does cross into witness intimidation and that's the line that everyone is going to be watching. >> and so, tom, go ahead. >> prosecutors have to apply for a gag order. that, in any case in the system, is something that is very, very rare that it is even applied for let alone granted by the...

You know, why aren't you out on the trail campaigning? some will say he's the sitting president. everything he does equates -- you have funding issues. the fact that he's out there making the case what he's gotten done, what he wants to get done, in some respect he's campaigning. you saw he laughed off our peter doocy as he sometimes does when peter is like when are you yo going to start doing campaign stuff in he will use surrogates. 2020 is one of those elections for the history books. we had covid. it's a different situation. he's four years older around will have to show people that he's g...