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He's against and making campaign statements? i mean if they know they're not going to be fired -- >> nothing. i mean the answer is nothing. >> does this hatch act mean anything, then? is there any -- >> not to them. >> it's about ethics and norms. i look back, there were members of the bush administration, the obama administration, there are other people who have been dinged for this. castro was sort of sanctioned for saying, hey, look, you're talking about campaign stuff. so it matters. but also it helps us sort of separate church and state so that you don't have kellyanne conway basically do...

Unified party. and coming out with a unified party is the most important thing we can possibly do. and i think that is where most democrats are. >> new jersey senator presidential candidate cory booker is in iowa this weekend. and i want to play you something he told voters there. >> i'm one of the few people you will see coming through iowa that actually had to run something. i was a mayor. i had to run a city. >> it was a little muffled on my end and i'm not sure if you heard him, but he talked about the only one who has run something as being a mayor, his experience in new jersey. is than e...

General because he was an attorney general. at this point, in trump's washington, you know, that goes for a lot. at least he's not judge piro. >> whittaker. >> or the one who's in office. >> judge sessions. >> again, donald trump's the only guy who can make jeff sessions look like oliver wendall holmes that he may have done. i think it's fascinating because all these tributaries will come rolling into the same place, russia, mueller, stuff we don't know about, the campaign stuff. i think it's a fascinating moment about presidential power. i understand the basic idea you can't indict a presiden...

Stuff. you wouldn't need to lie about it. you might mention, yeah, i sent this to that e-mail, promotional materials. you might even say i referred to all kinds of campaign stuff, but there was nothing wrong with it. what does it seem to tell you this sophisticated international operator, even after flipping, according to mueller, and that's the allegation, wanted to commit a new crime and hide the fact that he had given off this polling? >> well, you know, when you're dealing with things coming out of the mueller investigation, you have to do intelligence analysis like i'm trying to do. muell...

Start talking about it now. >> it's fine to start talking about it now, but the point is to win in 2020 we better be talking about things that everybody relates to that, that everybody is worried about and really those economic issues that are keeping people awake at night. >> now you get to do whatever you want. >> i can do whatever i want, and my mouth's has gotten me in some trouble and i figure i can take it to new heights now. >> and thanks for being a public servant for all these years and so much fun to talk to along with being so serious about your work. that does for us tonight. we'll...