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And the person who was working in that other campaign, it had about $350,000 in it in a c-4, has been talking to mueller. so, it may be one of those situations where he bluffed and said he was so important, which got himself investigated by mueller. the end result may be that caused mueller to find out about other things about him, which may be true. and we just don't know that yet, but we will know reasonably soon. >> so, jeremy, we have been talking with mike and frank and cynthia thus far about mr. stone. let me lead you to mr. bannon. as we like to say, call-backs are only good in audition...

Has gone back again. what do you think the risk is in this time line that we're seeing so far to mr. bannon? >> well, i think the big picture, brian, is that there was a trump tower meeting in june. at that meeting, the russian government sent a delegation, and they informed the high command of the campaign -- manafort, trump junior and kushner -- that had, in fact, the russian government would be interceding in the election with hacked e-mails by dumping them into the campaign. they were informed of that in june and the conversation was about what policy trades they would get if trump were el...

And they informed the high command of the campaign -- manafort, trump junior and kushner -- that in fact, the russian government would be interceding in the election with hacked e-mails by dumping them into the campaign. they were informed of that in june and the conversation was about what policy trades they would get if trump were elected president. following that according to mueller's indictment of the russian intelligence officials, the russian intelligence officers moved those hacked e-mails to wikileaks. and now we see that roger stone got a heads up about those, that dumping of those e...