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In all sorts of ways. i it's good that brexit happened. so your relationship with the prime minister was already breaking down, then, by august 2020? yes. by summer 2020. why was that and what happened and why did you, then, finally walk out so dramatically in the darkness clutching a cardboard box full of your belongings? what happened ? er... well, it was a mix of things. i think that, first of all, he was fed up with the media portrayal of him being a kind of puppet for the vote leave team. it was driving him round the bend. from what you've said today, it sounds like it was pretty accurate...

Not on politics, not on communication in campaigning stuff, time on science stuff. and non—covid. and non-covid. you say he was upset because you — and non-covid. you say he was upset because you didn't _ and non-covid. you say he was upset because you didn't do _ and non-covid. you say he was upset because you didn't do what _ and non-covid. you say he was upset because you didn't do what he - and non-covid. you say he was upset| because you didn't do what he wanted you to do. he was the elected prime minister. but listening to you, it sounds very clearly that in your relationship, you sa...

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Are you running again, by the way? >> no. >> okay. but, you need to campaign differently because, you know, you were saying policy doesn't matter, politics did. and donald trump -- look, a lot of people say you're a great -- he was a great campaigner, a bad president. you were a terrible campaigner, you would have been a great president kind of thing. >> yeah. >> but you have to be -- you have to win and not -- >> look, let's put the campaigning stuff on the -- >> don't you have to change? >> i won 3 mon mor votes than the other guy. >> right. >> and i -- [ applause ] i had a very, very close ...

Getting to people who opposed trump in the primary to go pound sand, from everything from inauguration tickets to lobbying contests. >> that's really going to help them. >> for the last two months, donald trump has been complaining how much hard work it was, this campaigning stuff is. wait until he gets in the office. i think he's going to hate the job. >> jim baker, is he available? anyway, thank you, jay newton small, ken vogel, and chaurs. when we come back, my conversation with jean kennedy smith, the sister kennedy, bobby kennedy, and ted kennedy. she talks about what it was like to grow ...