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They're do better in the open spaces, they're going to use massive artillery, missile strikes. while they do better their will to fight is very low. i think in all of the cases the ukrainian military outnumbered but it would take probably five to one in many of these locations for the russian military to advance and try to take these ukrainian military forces that are in the defense. >> well, you know, i will tell you what. i mean it is obvious that -- i think you have just underlined the most important thing about putin's decision, his change of plans. putin does not care how many troops are ...

Russian aircraft aren't flying well either. they are delivering some ordinance but they have not shown themselves to be glorious in this campaign. >> not at all. one thing we have seen, amongst them and others is this casualty count. it's a lot higher than anything putin expected. we still don't know how big it is. in ukrainians are saying it's more than 11,000 russians have been killed. u.s. intelligence is saying it's 2,000 to 4,000. the russians are saying it's a whole lot less than that. do you have any sense of what the real number is? that number is what's going to matter to russians. >>...