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It doesn't work like that. >> i'm not suggesting bureaucrats are perfect or always effective in being able to get the job done, but what i am saying is there is a common failure to appreciate that when you have a position of responsibility like be president of the united states, there are consequences for your actions. when you're a real estate developer and you do things that are irresponsible or you want to attack people on twitter, or you want to talk away from the negotiating table, there are no consequences for that, or if there are, you can fix them later. there are damaging consequences...

Point, someone has not stood up who said from the beginning, they changed their mind because they want an extra vote on a tax bill. i think to your point about decency? who are we? what have we become when a little piecely tax bill in the scheme of things is bicker and supersedes the lack of morality and alleged criminal activity, is it that important? i think the question they are getting at. >> how about supporting a president, who all of these donors would say has obstructed justice, if it were a democrat and yet they're writing checks non-stop. i remember having a heated conversation at th...

To climb back from that. it's kind of hard to get a job in washington, d.c. after you're branded as somebody that is actually putting forth an autocrat's defense. >> you know, kelly, i agree with you, kellyanne's comments, she didn't dispute the substance of it. she said who wrote it. one could surmise from that, she is citing on ty cobb, that indeed if the president was the author of this, the point being made this morning. but heidi's point as relate os to the legal part should not be overlooked. dowd now puts himself, because all these other people are under oath and if mueller asks, to you...

Here. he tweets to the secretary of state instead of picking up the phone to tell them. now, having said that, harold, you and i have had this conversation. the danger here is so extreme that i can only hope that the combination of general mattis, hopefully general mcmaster, maybe secretary tillerson who seems to be strangely absent in a lot of these conversations, maybe that will put the president on the sideline and allow diplomacy to work. because the outcome otherwise is just soho risk. >> heidi? >> the president says the fbi's reputation is in tatters. this is just the latest attack by th...

Distraction. it wasn't fundamentally trying to discredit our media, our justice system for personal gain and that i think is just a broader conversation that is really important right now. because this president is fundamentally starting to destroy our country. >> heidi pryzbilla, in a lot of ways, this is the rhythm of what we've seen for a couple of years now, which is that donald trump, now president trump, will tweet something out and his campaign staff or now his white house staff scurrys and behind him to clean up the mess and explain it away, here's actually what he meant. in this case ...