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Ought to take it up as well. i think the more important, more essential point is what this pattern is. if you go back to january when the president completely discounted the unanimous assessment of the intelligence committee that russia had interfered in our elections, he called it a hoax, and over the weekend, he claimed the reputation of the fbi was in tatters, this is a man, frankly, does not have much regard for the rule of law. that's what's at work here. >> let me ask you about the rule of law and impeachment proceedings and articles of impeachment if they were to be brought by the house...

Who wonders whether he actually knew this or was making it it up. and two, you have to believe that he told comey to stand down. so there are two things, the president is contesting the 4 9 latter. and the former, we don't know enough about to know if it's true or not true. if it's true and if the president asked comey to stand down, that's legally problematic for him. >> also legally, the president's lawyer john dowd is making this argument to axios michael saying the president cannot obstruct justice because he's the chief law enforcement officer under the constitution. and has ever right to...

Obstruction of justice. if you were watching. show earlier you heard we had a discussion. the president's lawyer is out there saying that the president cannot as a matter of law commit obstruction of justice. do you agree with that argument? >> i think argument is because he asked comey to not go after michael flynn a guy who served our country, a general, who served in our armed services that somehow that's obstruction, i don't see how that's obstruction of justice. that's a weak claim we're hearing from some, and i always back up and say, look at this overall investigation. mueller's team is...

Advisor -- >> well, i feel badly for general flynn. he's led a very strong life and i feel badly. i will say this. hillary clinton lied many times to the fbi and nothing happened to her. flynn lied and they destroyed his life. i think it's a shame. >> reporter: mr. trump's legal team is offering a preview of a potential defense in the event the special counsel's office makes its way to the oval office. the president cannot obstruct justice because he's the chief law enforcement officer. the president's outside attorney told axios, and has every right to express his view of any case, a case ech...

So i'm considering letting him go first but i can't because i have to go to nick first. nick, we got to start with the president's lawyer, john dodd telling nbc, quote, the president cannot obstruct justice because he's the chief law enforcement officer under the constitution's article 2 and has every right to express his view. >> that's false. it all comes down to what was his intent in talking to comey in telling him to stop the flynn investigation. i mean, there's no question, john mitchell, who was nixon's attorney general, who was entrusted with enforcing the laws, was convicted of obstru...