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The national relations board cannot operate without a forum. they want to hurt men and women in this country because they like them, they don't vote for them, they will block anything that helps them, even the payroll tax holiday if we could. martha: they believe it's hurting the growth of business. >> it is, and i think the american people believe that too. martha: we've got to go. we have much to talk about. good to see you both. bill: things about to get mean in south carolina. the state has a reputation for being tough on candidates. often campaigns go negative. who is best positioned to s...

Gretchen, you can take this on first, is this a gift to the unions to make sure that the national relations board can act, they need a quorum, they each need five members. now they've got them. what do you think. >> this one you can see on face value this was a payoff to the unions in the beginning of 2012 an election year. these appointments had just been introduced in december a few days before the senate went on recess. they didn't even have the time to block them if you want to say that or bring them up to capitol hill to have a proper hearing as they do with most appointments. martha: is ...