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Miralax. look for the pink cap. now to the other big story that would be number one as we tend to say these days, if not for everything you just saw. this is the legal checkmate the new york feds are trying to put on president trump, at least through the guy who ran his campaign, paul manafort. because these new charges, donald trump cannot pardon. new york d.a. cy vance making this aggressive move before manafort's lawyers could even leave court yesterday. and tonight, we've actually assembled three cy vance insiders, each of these former assistant d.a.s have interacted with vance professio...

Manafort? >> i have not thought about it. do i feel badly for paul manafort. >> rudy jagiuliani is that a pardon is not being considered right now. just this week, white house press secretary sarah sanders said a decision was not yet made implying it was on the table. >> why hasn't the president ruled out a pardon for for paul manafort. >> he made his position on that clear, he will make a decision when he is ready. >> joining me is christina bellatoni, hour fineman, and michael steele, former rnc chair

>> sure. i don't disagree with you. the point tonight before you go deep in the weeds is there's no good rationale for donald trump who has proven to be quite wily about dealing with law enforcement to rush out a federal pardon. doebt don't you think that's less likely sooner because of this hedge? >> perhaps. if manafort is still hoping to keep quiet and not tell the truth as the judge accused him of doing in the federal case. he still has an incentive to maybe stick to that position so whether he gets it now or a year from now to get rid of that federal time may mean a lot to him if he ends ...

He's facing a longer jail sentence in new york than what me faced against mueller in a place where there's no pardon and might have rougher treatment. do you think the d.a. can flip him for real this time? >> if i were a betting man, i would say probably not. if he didn't flip under the federal charges, i would say he he is unlikely to cooperate. >> why do people resist to the end? >> there's a million reasons. they have their own private view of the truth. people they are protecting. in my experience the biggest reason cooperating witnesses lie is not to falsely incriminate somebody, it's to ...

Of these charges are not subject to presidential pardon. it's unlikely and one of the things in the charges here manafort's accused of various kinds of real estate fraud that inspired jacking up the rents in new york city. you put manafort in front of a new york jury and accuse him of jacking up rents, he's going away for a long time. >> based on your knowledge, people can like or dislike what the two judges did. we see disparities there. based on your knowledge of this, how are judges in new york going to deal with mr. manafort in your understanding? >> i also wanted judge amy jackson to be m...