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Now we know no pardon can save manafort in new york. i'm excited about our guest on this topi he was the jack mccoy to vance's adam schiff. thank you for coming on the beat tonight. >> my pleasure. >> what does it mean that you have the d.a. going at charges like this after someone has just finished getting their federal sentence? have you ever seen a case like th this? >> no. new york's double jeopardy lawyers are very strong. it would be very unlikely. also it's not like there was some obvious miscarriage of justice. i think probably what d.a.vance

You can't make up how much is happening. 16 new counts right here in this mortgage frauds case. this changes everything. very existence of these charges which is new tonight reduce any motivation for president trump to try to rush to to pardon manafort on the federal crimes if he could sit in a different jail for other crimes that trump cannot pardon. as this show and my colleague rachel maddow a and many legal experts have noted, manafort's team had been using their final filings to pitch a federal pardon. these state charges undercut everything they have been trying to do. if theese charges ...

First of all, it's the irony of paul manafort having been rebuked for breaching his plea agreement by engaging in so many lies to the fbi, to the prosecutors and then his lawyer going outside the courtroom and lying once again. i see it as what he's doing is holding out a flag waving it as high as he can to bring down the rescue plane. pardon me, mr. president. pardon me. no collusion claim is a complete n non-sequitor in this case. the investigation is ongoing. i think maybe paul manafort was still holding out for that pardon. >> david. >> it's not exactly a nonsequitor. both sides, the prose...

President. there may came a role down the road, but now would be a disaster. >> when would it not be a political disaster? i guess if it is president pence or someone that did it? >> cornering someone in the elevator is always a great move. interestingly everyone is giving speaker pelosi props for holding back saying essentially let's take it to the american people, we don't want to play into his hands by forcing the conversation to be about impeachment. if donald trump wants it saul to be about impeachment, which oddly enough, he might, pardon manafort. i was told a year and a half goog that ...

Trial from the viewpoint of mueller, i have been in many of those dust ups myself, but i didn't think he would go as low as 47 months. i thought that judge ellis would have imposed a seven or eight year term, that could have been academic. but to answer your question finally i felt that, you know, seven, eight, nine years -- >> the totality of it ends up being fair. >> what a way to kick us off, thank you, up next with the question of a possible presidential pardon still up in the air, prosecutors in new york make their own move. their own . -jamie, this is your house? -i know, it's not much, ...