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The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capehart

reasons. one of them is that clearly last week he wanted to focus on the jury and that is a significant imposition on the people called in, so conscientious judges don't like to keep prospective jurors waiting, they want to keep them moving and be respectful of their time. the second reason potentially is to give donald trump an opportunity to fix his behavior, to reform himself in the days between when the hearing was scheduled and when it was set. it will be pertinent to how the judge approaches the issue, which is, can this man stop doing the things he is not supposed to be doing? >> he was fined $10,000 for violating the gag order in the civil fraud case. is there a possibility that -- let's say donald trump does not reform his behavior, as you just said, could we see the possibility of the judge putting -- or holding trump in contempt, and then punishing him by making him spend the night in jail? >> that is always a possibility, however, he has been taking some steps or

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CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield

>> and we appreciate you making that huge effort to get to a hockey rink to make this happen. in the final days there in iowa, for a minute a number of the candidates, desantis, haley, you know, as well as ramaswamy had to cancel some in-person events because of the weather. now they are back at it, they are being selective. donald trump making his way there to iowa. so how much will that be a measurement some of the voters take, like how diehard are you willing to be, you know, under what circumstances were you able to get here to have that facetime? are voters calculating their picks that way? >> i think every little bit helps in the final hours. i think voters particularly those going out in subzero temperatures will look around and say which candidates are making the same kind of commitment that i'm making. so like who is toughest, who is

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CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield

the circus. so good to see you. >> great to see you. this is so much fun because i've always referred to iowa as the american disney land of politics. it is just so pure and so interesting, so entertaining. and as ron desantis said, it is a 1re small number of voters will have a huge impact. story line so far is that it seems pretty fixed and that donald trump will lead fairly commandingly, but you know, i've done three successful presidential elections there and there is always surprises. you can talk with rick santorum, ted cruz, mike huckabee. so no matter what happens, i suspect that something will happen monday in iowa that will have us turning our heads. >> and a continuation of your, you know, i guess analogy to disney, it is like a disney ride. it is like space mountain, you never know what is coming around the next corner. >> maybe this is thesis the fro

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CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield

criteria in their candidate as they make their selections especially since it is a great honor for a lot of iowans to say, hey, we're the first to have this caucus, so it is very meaningful? but are they looking at candidates differently than say new hampshire? >> i think that they look at candidates differently than anywhere. and that is again why i call it the disneyland of american politics. it is just very special. they take this very seriously and the interesting thing about iowa voters, is that lot of them will stay open minded about their decision until the last 24, 48 hours. and they want to have all the information. they want to hear all the pitches. and they don't want to make their minds up too early. so that is why we see a lot of surprises is because people make up their minds at the very last minute. and again, that is why iowa voters is on great and a great place to have the first contest in america. >> so really critical these last couple of days then. all right. and then there is the issue of say donald trump.

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Alex Wagner Tonight

lesser sins prosecutors can commit. and this if it's a sin at all would be on the very lesser end of the spectrum. i think we'll very likely see the judge say everything is frozen, maybe don't do anything else, or maybe she'll say, mr. smith, refile your motions later on. i think it's very unlikely she'll award trump any sort of monetary damages. >> i want to talk about the colorado case and donald trump being on the ballot. we may hear from the supreme court at any point now about whether they'll take on this case or what they'll do wasn't it. there are other states in which we are now -- obviously we've seen maine. there are 17 states involved but we've seen more action in massachusetts and illinois tonight. what do you make of where we stand on that particular issue, the 14th amendment and whether donald trump is qualified to run again and how the supreme court will evaluate this. >> it seems to me that the supreme court will have to hear this case. it's a little bit confusing because every state has different rules about how they

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Alex Wagner Tonight

entirely reasonable request. however, it could potentially backfire on jack smith. trump's attorney today cast that motion in a sinister light calling it part of, quote, the prosecutor's desperate effort to harass president trump and prevent his likely victory in the 2024 presidential election, end quote. they're asking judge chutkan to order jack smith to explain why he should not be held in contempt of court as well as to withdraw all of their filings since the case was stayed and be forced to give trump money to pay for his legal bills. joining me now to understand this now is joyce vance. joyce, i want you to help me with this one. this one i'm troubled by it but i don't understand it. judge chutkan stayed the case because it had been appealed to higher courts, and i guess that's what she had to do. so now they're saying because it was stayed he's -- he's manipulating stuff, is that what's going on here?

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Alex Wagner Tonight

should he be re-elected. but perhaps the biggest example of donald trump's threat to democracy is something that has essentially fallen off the radar, an active threat to democracy by trump and many of his republican allies that is so dire and so urgent that it could wipe a democratic nation off the face of the earth before we get to election day. it has been nearly two years since russian dictator vladimir putin invaded the democratic nation of ukraine. and in that time against all odds, the biden administration has managed to keep russia thought to have been one of the finest armies in the world, at bay. joe biden held together a fractured natold alliance, fracture in large part by donald trump himself. isolated russia on the world stage r and rallied military an financial support for the besieged nation of ukraine. it was by all appearances a victory for the concept and the

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Alex Wagner Tonight

here at home but also around thd world. joining me now is the t retirede united states army lieutenant colonel and former director of european affairs at the national security council, alexander vindman. with us tonight ben rodes, deputy nationaln security advir under president obama and co-host of "pod save the world." thank you for being here tonight. colonel vindman, when you and i started talking about ukraine years ago after you so bravely reported on thatso phone call i which donald trump tried to shakedown the then new president of ukraine, it was about our allies. it was about european safety. it was about curtailing an expense and russia, but it wasn't then centrally about ll democracy, the state of democracy in the world. today it kind of is. we have learned that democracy around the world is fragile and ukraine to some degree is our front line for this. >> that's very true. first, let me start by saying happy new year, start on a positive note.

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Alex Wagner Tonight

agreements sphif they cannot do that, they're going to start to hedge, they're going to start bend from a pressure from a china or russia because the united states can no longer be relied on as l a cornerstone of their security. we're already dealing with that just because donald trump's previous administration. if he gets back into the white house, that's gone for a generation at least if it's something we can ever get back. that is how high the stakes are in thisgh election. >> it's important wehi realize that as we're struggling for democracy in our own country, that we haveur a massive role t play in the rest of the world. guys, thanks very much, we appreciate that. retired colonel alex vindman ann deputy national security advisor under president obama ben rodes we appreciate your time tonight lots more news to get to tonight including the ouster of former president claudine gay, also an assault in the faith of institutions. >> but first republican presidential candidates are making their final push on the iowa caucuses in the coming days. we'll looks at what's coming

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Alex Wagner Tonight

where pick your political opponents like john mccain and barack obama who might even have disagreements about foreign policy, they might even agree on the building blocks, nato, the collective defense of nato, the need to stand up for certain values around the world, and that was a continuum since world war iice and through the cold w. youhe started to see a trend whe republicans would politicize every aspect of national security. if barack obama was for one thing one day, they'd be against it. if he switched his position it somehow, they may switch their position. and that's obviously gotten worse ever since. and donald trump's election when he came in and tore up a whole bunch of agreements obama me reached, he basically upended american policy at first hesitating to articulate the common defense of nato. the message that sent is america is not reliable. the dysfunction and toxicity in its democracy has rendered it

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