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We heard today from one of his cabinet secretaries, the energy secretary, jennifer granholm emphasizing the urgency saying that the white house, the administration cannot sit and negotiate forever, but the president has passed the memorial day deadline where he wanted to see serious progress. he did say you have to close this down soon and he will meet with capito again today and a couple of things that we'll be watching for is significant. one, we still don't know the minimum number that the president are willing to accept from the republicans. the president's latest offer is at $1.7 trillion...

The anger of course is understandable. but what he never did do was raise any kind of political reference to -- to anything that the democrats were doing in that hearing. >> right, and that's the difference that justice stevens is talking about. and he referenced i think professor tribe's article that he had written about why he believes brett kavanaugh is sort of disqualified, cannot sit properly on the court now. and it's because he was so partisan that how can -- there are so many cases that will be before him that have as their parties in the case a political nature or a political affiliat...

Disqualified him from sitting in cases after he came on the court. he's a very, very decent and likable person. and you cannot help but like clarence thomas, which i don't think necessarily would be true of this particular nominee. >> we all remember clarence thomas in the hearing. we all knew that he was angry and we also knew that he was containing his anger to some degree. and if he felt falsely accused the anger of course is understandable. but what he never did do was raise any kind of political reference to -- to anything that the democrats were doing in that hearing. >> right, and that'...

Those would be things he could be compelled to answer under subpoena if it were to come to that. but while in office, they might be able to defeat a subpoena in court. so that's a bit of the divide. the timing, i'm told that by the beginning of next week, monday or tuesday, they will follow up with their response to the latest back-and-forth from the mueller team and they expect that there has to be a conclusion coming. when, as you point out, we've heard it before, that it's almost over. it isn't yet. but there does appear to be a willingness to talk about certain issues and maybe a stronger ...

Wittes said rudy giuliani was e beclowning himself. joe scarborough said the same thing this morning. if you see him saying these things, what do you think? >> well, you don't take him seriously. my guess is they have a good chuckle about it. giuliani is saying things that are just completely preposterous to try and sort of distract from the fact that this president cannot sit down for an interview because he's incapable of telling the truth. giuliani keeps talking about we want to get to the truth, we're all about the truth, everyone keeps talking about transparency. that is not accurate. >> ...