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>> even when the fact checkers come out and check them and objectively say these ads are wrong, what do you think the campaign says, run it any way? >> when we were doing this -- i think they think that if they spent a couple million bucks or $20 million bucks around the country on these ads that that will swamp free press. >> so in other words, all the fact checking in the world can't catch up. >> that's in their thinking. >> the president was up there with governor christie. what does it tell you that we don't see that coolness under fire? >> by the way, it is cool. look at what this guy cam...

They changed everything from the ryan plan. now they're running away from the ryan budget, which is what they were going to herald as the second coming. there they are designed to play on the fears of people. it really is kind of scurrilous. these people are finally back on their feet. there's no chance their job is going to go to china. >> even when the fact checkers come out and check them and objectively say these ads are wrong, like the one on welfare, totally wrong, what do you think about the romney campaign saying, run it any way? >> when we were doing this -- i think they think that if...