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Conference committee is aiming for a budget deal by december 13. another potential shutdown deadline looms for january 15 unless there is another compromise. one member of that committee joins us now from new brunswick, maine. independent senator angus king jr. of maine who caucuses with the democrat senators. good to see you. >> nice to be with you. >> you were governor for two terms. you cut taxes. had you to balance the budget by law in augusta, maine. why can't washington ever be able do that? >> well, i think -- perhaps the best answer to that is that they have the printing press in washi...

There is only one entity with lower approval ratings. i think it's the press. trust in institutions has been going down in church, sport, and government. i don't necessarily think the syria issue of the last two weeks contributed dramatically to this. it can't help for people to feel confident in government. in the next two weeks we'll see congress again try to have a budget fight that feels like groundhog day to most americans. they keep asking why can't washington work more like a business like i do in my business or family. trying to get things done so they don't lurch from one crisis to th...

Antagonize than put together and they have a lot to work out. >> that is a interesting point. if you believe the polls out there and why can't washington just get along and work together and put aside our differences and get something done? in the antagonize like today. white house left john boehner a voice mail about the plan for today. it is fun forked in of the beltway politics. >> i think that people outside are just thinking a pocks on washington altogether. that is dangerous. that means very little can get done. look your constituents in theie and you better defund obama care or this or ...

You dig into this stuff for years. this is remarkable. you went through and believe your numbers are not going to budget on this, basically only if you have a mark sanford situation. >> right. that is a real anomaly because special election turnout will be different. >> normally there is a race in the projected category. >> exactly because it is march fousd the boundaries the democrat would have the chance to win in regular election. >> you went back and looking at the shrinking congressional battleground. in 1998 you would 121 pure swing districts and 2012 that was 47. safe districts in 1988,...

Right now on "msnbc saturday," we're an hour away for the latest scramble for a debt deal at the white house. both sides are pointing fingers of blame. why can't washington reach a deal? massacre in norway. more than 90 people dead in a killing spree, and in morning new information about the suspect and what may have fueled the attacks. dangerous heat once again gripping much of the country. how millions of people are coping, and when we'll catch a break from this. the big business of gay marriage. one day before same sex couples tie the knot in new york, how some companies are planning ...