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Senator chuck schumer in new york was there. we saw him in the picture. senator schumer, the more you read about it, "the new york times" has been very good at covering this and the other papers up there. the sense that this isn't just a bad week or two or a bad month. >> oh, no. >> this destruction of homes without any home left. the homes have been destroyed, the electrical systems destroyed. talk about it if you can. the public's watching. the whole country. >> yeah. this is -- >> how bad is it? it's like katrina. >> it is awful. it's close to katrina. you know, the first day after the stor...

We have lots of office buildings downtown that can't work. nyu hospital, one of the leading hospitals in the country, all their machines were on the first floor in the basement. hundreds of millions of dollars of mri z and amts. the damage is varied in so many different ways and so deep. i was up on the 16th -- i didn't climb up that high, the 18th floor of a housing project. three elderly women had been there two weeks. they couldn't get down, no electricity, no elevators. and there they are. they don't have water. they don't have light. they don't have heat or plumbing. volunteers were bring...

City. we have lots of office buildings downtown that can't work. nyu hospital, one of the leading hospitals in the country, all their machines were on the first floor in the basement. hundreds of millions of dollars of mris and amts and axial tomography. the damage is so varied in so many different ways and so deep. i was up on the 16th -- i didn't climb up that high. the 18th floor of a housing project. three elderly women had been there for two weeks. they couldn't get down. no electricity. no elevators. and there they are. they don't have water. they don't have light. they don't have heat. ...

Think about the head shaking crowd in america, where's this anger going to take this country, van. good to have you with us? >> it's good to be here, and this is a good friday for america. i mean, when you see people going this nuts, you know, you know something good has happened in america. they're trying to go in the medicine cabinet and try to find the pills that -- to try to blame on this decision. here is what happened. when we fight, we win. when good people in america say we're tired of 30 million people not having health insurance, we're tired of kids who are 22, 23 years old, can't wo...

If we wanted to use the diplomatic instrument of power, foreign policy in order to get iraq squared away, we should've done it a long time. by a long time, i mean seven years ago. we constantly rely on the military instrument of power alone, and that can't work. and now that we've pulled everyone out, there's no leverage there. >> the question that bubbles up and we've talked about this for the last week, is there a point where the president says we've got to put troops back on the ground there? even though the iraqis may not want us there? >> i can't see him doing that. it's political death f...