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Towards the danger in the room. >> so you shake your head in agreement to to what captain johnson was saying. you were the leader for the bomb squad during your time with the fbi. tell us more about what a team leader is supposed to do in an emergency like this? why didn't anyone else step up? >> that's a good question, don. his role was not what he was doing. if you look at the videotape he had his weapon drawn. he was on the phone trying to talk the same time. there's actually one point where he's the individual trying to fumble with the keys to get into one of those classrooms before he giv...

That people in the higher chain of command aren't really commanding? >> they should. but you don't know what type of department that is. officers should've stepped up and said, boss, chief, i got this. you should be outside this facility. you need to direct traffic from outside. we've got it inside. but that obviously didn't happen. >> it is a very simple question but everyone i speak to wants to know, what's happened there? what happened there? >> i'm a subject matter expert. that is what i'm here for. for law enforcement. so as captain johnson. every layman that has seen that video knows wha...

That nothing like this ever happens again? so joining me now cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi supervisor special agent, peter caught up. also retired police captain, ron johnson, the incident commander in ferguson missouri. thank you both for joining me, gentlemen. we'll start with you as we start with the video of chief arredondo trying to talk to that shooter. calling him sir. this is completely fought in the face of how police are trained to handle any active shooter? >> while an active shooter, initially, you have to respond as soon as you get. those first officers on the sleeve,...

Extraordinary amounts of weapons and ammunition. no one said anything. that is the part that was wrong. >> i'm sure, correct me if i'm wrong, police departments around the country. captain ron johnson. they are probably look at what happened in uvalde and saying we are going to make sure this never happens to us. and everyone i'm sure is being trained or retrained and taking their training more seriously than they had before. >> they are. there's a lot of training going on in our country. i like to tell everyone to continue to have confidence in our brave men and women in law enforcement throu...

Into a jason van tatenhove and he died while riding in the jason van tatenhove. castile was fatally shot by an officer. there is a lot to discuss. joey jackson and captain ron johnson. thanks, so much. i just talked about a few cases. that is just a few of many there without these videos, we would never know. >> no question. good evening to you. and captain johnson. the bottom line, i think you are bullying the public to look the other way. nobody wants to be arrested. at the same time, you are working civic involvement.