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We've seen his points about ukraine evolve over time. he didn't always view ukraine as this way. but i think as you mentioned, this isolation, he's been doing bizarre archival research in combing down deep history so he's clearly a moving target and folks are watching him very closely. >> to the uninitiated and uninformed that would be me. he's like captain kweeg and keeping track of the strawberries. that's how it looks to someone who is presumably irrational. final thought is yours. >> yeah. i think the thing you have to underscore also when you're that paranoid and that isolated, that's whe...

Not some big thematic conversation. >> ron, where is this going? this week looks like it might be a blowout. i do think he's going to attack everybody in the book who he thinks is a source. i think he's still in this captain kweeg, search for who got the frozen strawberries. he's still doing that. where does this take us? >> it was during world war ii, i can't remember who said after d-day that it's not the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning. >> church hill. >> churchill said it. i've got that feeling now, this isn't the final push here, but the beginning has ended with t...

When the president makes an order, especially when it comes to the nuclear codes, that is a command. if anyone in that chain of command does not follow that, they're breaking the law. but to my mind -- yes, they're breaking the law -- >> small potatoes -- >> it's the most patriotic that they could ever do. >> perhaps useful civil disoh bead yans at that point. >> tackle him. >> i'm the only none columnist here, so i'm not going to weigh -- >> you can handle this. when u james clapper the former head of dni just a few months ago, you have bob corker, a very sane guy from tennessee, you've got d...

Impeachment. that doesn't have to be a crime. in terms of bringing an actual indictment, it usually is tied to that type of on going proceeding. we may create some new law here. the problem is, this question of what was trump trying to do here? he could either be captain kweeg or john gotti. we don't really know. right now he looks very kweeg-like, someone dispatching people to look for strawberries. that's something you don't normally indict for. i'm not even sure what the crime of collusion is. on the criminal code there's a collusion with the russians crime. that doesn't mean there's not a ...