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And attorneys general offices to get involved. it does have a criminal aspect to it. we have urged the members and doj to get involved. i think they're taking that initiative. they -- doj, we believe that the doj sanctions, the criminal sanctions should be enhanced. that was one of the suggestions we made to the committee today, and i think they heard it very favorably. >> listen, i continue to compliment you guys not only in taking up this fight, but in sharing this fight publicly with myself and other people, so we can all continue to educate ourselves into the nitty-gritty of the financial ...

Alone with him being in flight school, deployed, being away from the home is bad enough when you have two small children. combined with the fact you would get collection calls of which on monies you did not owe. it was -- it was my nightmare. it still is, because it still has not been resolved. >> captain rowles, you have made a significant commitment to serve america, to serve your country. what would you consider to be the base expectation in return from your country? >>. >> well, from my country, i just expect to be made whole. my country is fighting for me, and i fight for my country. the ...