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That door is bulletproof. you can't kick it down, you can't knock it down, you can't wish it down. it's got to have the right configuration, or no entry at all. >> jim tillman, former airplane pilot, aviation expert, very clarifying to have you here tonight. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> joining us is jim hall, the former chairman of the national transportation safety board. mr. hall, thank you very much for being with us tonight. >> glad to be with you, rachel. >> i guess i would just ask basically your reaction to these latest reported details from "the new york times," and what ca...

>> here's the point, gentlemen that we need to consider. if and when we find the data recorder it will tell us definitively what happened. because if it took a series of steps, which i believe it did, to put this plane into a controlled dive then that would argue against a medical emergency. i mean, did he remove the plane from autopilot? if there was a series of steps that would be reflected in the data recorder then that raises a very -- >> that is what was required a series of steps. >> i think i'm agreeing with captain tilmon. you would have to have a series of steps. the plane was wings l...

And jim tilmon. jim i want to ask you about the elt, the electronic locater transmitters, correct? >> that's correct. >> if this plane did hit water that would automatically go off which sends out various kinds of signals both to a satellite and over various frequencies, correct? >> actually if it hits almost anything. if it landed and hit the ground too hard, that thing would go off. it's even used in light aircraft and business jets. it's a means of locating an aircraft or its wreckage immediately after it has struck something out there that's solid. >> so les, the fact that we haven't heard...