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This has been spectacularly successful, reducing the death rate per 100 million miles driven by 95% since 1921. >> i think what is so frustrating -- >> we figured out how to make a dangerous product safe for our lives, it is so frustrating. the political process is broken down in the case of guns and i think it is because there is a strong con ttingent of society that cares, and there is sthoom have framed this unsuccessfully. i think the term gun safety is more helpful trying to get clear on this issue. and we don't think of it as car

Licenses? we don't say car control or driver's license control. or car insurance control. or house insurance control. because in order to get a driver's license, you have to pass tests, i have to be a certain age. no one says we want car control. what about just gun licenses, gun laws? >> or gun safety. and it's my bad for saying give up control. >> no, i'm not -- >> it is. if we're serious about getting somewhere, we have to be very careful. in our tactics. that includes language and includes talking about all aspects of it. this is absolutely a story of guns and compels us to look at gun law...

Other developed country. what do you know we're a country drowning in gun deaths like no other country. we are not heeding that message. at least our lawmakers aren't. >> can i tell you something because i think the moniker gun control is a negative thing. you want to take guns away. >> we don't say car control or driver's license control, or car insurance control, or house insurance control. because in order to get a driver's license -- a driver's license you've got to pass tests. you've got to be a certain age. but no one says we want car control. >> right. >> what about just gun licenses, g...