Some people can't afford to do that. the abortion providers are now in a position where that's the information they have to get to people. they have to refer people to other states. you talked about the long waiting times to get an abortion in these other places. what's the net effect of this sb 8? is it the chill that it puts o on people who are either getting an abortion or providing one? or is it the actual logistics that stop people from getting an abortion? >> the problem is, because sb 8 says that a provider or the security guard at the clinic tore person that drove, friend, family membe...