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And other folks like that, we need them because they're responsible for the basic blocking and tackling, and they are career intelligence professionals. so what i'm going to say now doesn't apply to them. but director coats, senator coats is in the job because of his political gravitas, and so there might be different requirements on him. now, i frankly, and i watch this very closely, don. i frankly think he's very straightforward and frankly somewhat courageous in saying things without a whole lot of fanfare not more than one note off the hymnal on the white house. so i'm not surprised he put...

Weaknesses in our system. >> i've got to ask you as someone because you worked for presidents, what do you do when the president contradicts you and you have to put out your own statement that doesn't match up with the president's own words? we talk about this a lot, should folks who work there like director dan coats, should he resign and others stay in their jobs to frankly protect the american people from their own president? >> the only good answer i can give you, don, is the little longish and i'll try to be efficient here. when you talk about the heads and other folks like that, we need ...

Worked with haspel during her time as deputy cia chief joins us right now from capitol hill to weigh in. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning, steve. the president, i think it was a day or two ago tweeted out she has been tough on terrorists. isn't that what we want? >> yeah, steve, if gina haspel being tough on terrorists is the worst thing the democrats have on her, that's not much of a case against her. this is a very distinguished career intelligence professional. she spent 33 years in the cia working against the soviet union and now russia. working against terrorists. 17 years ag...

Al qaeda prisoner. >> in many ways i agree with senator wyden. she must and will face tough questions when she appears before congress on wednesday, about the tapes issue and her role in that black site and perspective actions going forward. if she receives an order to carry out torture, enhanced interrogation techniques, would she comply with that? and i think she has to give sufficient answers there. and i think doing so will require more information from the cia. but i think the story that gina haspel has to tell, if she's able and willing to tell it, will be one that depicts a career intel...

Block things from coming out of committee, but i don't know that there's that appetite for that sort of political fight, because you do need someone in this office going into the next few weeks. >> and carrie, the vote in the senate foreign relations committee is scheduled for late this afternoon. it looks like he's not going to be confirmed there, but then they can just put it on the senate floor, as kouran points out, and it looks like he narrowly got through. when he was nominated to be the cia director, it's going to be much closer this time around. >> and that's a debate over his nominati...