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Michael jackson case, but other cases are you involved in sort of the after care or does your role finish when the case is done? >> i will tell you, the one that she was kind of -- she changed my career projectorry was mcdou gle. she was penny less -- >> you should say who susan mcdou gle is. >> she was caught up in the white water investigation, jeff did a nice book about white water a series of books and was prosecuted by the office of independent counsel and literally just strafed. her ex-husband jim who she went on trial with the first time when i didn't represent her ended up cooperating ...

>> i will tell you, the one that she was kind of -- she changed my career projectorry was mcdou gle. she was penny less -- >> you should say who susan mcdou gle is. >> she was caught up in the white water investigation, jeff did a nice book about white water a series of books and was prosecuted by the office of independent counsel and literally just strafed. her ex-husband jim who she went on trial with the first time when i didn't represent her ended up cooperating and dying in prison, so there was her ex-husband dead and she ended up after two trials, which is more than most federal prosecut...

>> mark, as i said, you initially represented michael jackson in the early stages of the child molestation case. when you're in a high-profile case like that, how do you counsel somebody after it's done about trying to resume life? are you -- obviously not the michael jackson case, but other cases are you involved in sort of the after care or does your role finish when the case is done? >> i will tell you, the one that she was kind of -- she changed my career projectorry was mcdou gle. she was penny less -- >> you should say who susan mcdou gle is. >> she was caught up in the white water inves...