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Victimized. i think that's a very big mistake on his part. >> caroline? >> i don't disagree. again, it's a fine line. and oftentimes you try to thread the needle between advocating for your client and doing what you think is in the best interests. you know, i will just say that to the video evidence, as reynoldo was saying, there was video evidence ten years ago in the case that was brought in 2002. took six years to try. if you watched the lifetime "surviving r. kelly" documentary, i think there were real questions raised behind the scenes what was going on during that trial. and i agree that...

That the court is looking at, if not the most important thing, is will this individual, r. kelly, respect the law and follow the conditions of release. can he be counted on not to commit crimes while he's out on bond. and if he was out abusing woman while he was out on bond, that's obviously problematic. if i ws a judge aas a judge and allegation in front of me, i would be disinclined to release him. >> and caroline, as a defense attorney, what do you make of r. kelly's attorney making the argument bluntly, as a matter of factually, that every single person who is making an accusation against ...

Evidence and photographic evidence that it will be hard for him to deny. i don't know. i haven't seen. i have seen some images that, you know, that were online, but i can't attest to the veracity of those. so i don't know for sure how good that video and photographic evidence is. one thing i will say, i do -- i am familiar with kim fox who is the states attorney here and her office. they know that they are putting themselves out there on this prosecution. and they also know that r. kelly beats the charges last time, ten years ago. >> exactly. >> so i mean they know that they are going to be re...

Prosecution. and that was just lethal to the prosecution's case. >> that's the big difference between then and now. >> huge difference. >> and kim cook came out openly after that documentary was released imploring members of the public to come forward with information if they had it if they were victims to come to the prosecutor's ops and cooperate. so i think likely she's got some really dynamite evidence. otherwise she knows all eyes are on her now. she know she has to come forward strong and i this i she has this case in the bag. >> caroline, and reynoldo, thank you so much for that discuss...