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Yeah. when my father was given a parole hearing, it just spun me out. i was frightened, you know. i felt unsafe. >> to keep the carsons behind bars, jen has connected online with each of the victims' families, to fight their parole. and today she's meeting the family of the carsons' last victim in person for the very first time. >> john offered a ride to my father and susan and susan stabbed him repeatedly, and then my father shot him. >> why do you want to meet the family members of the people your father killed? i want to tell them that i'm so deeply sorry for the loss of their brother, and ...

The last time jen saw her father was the one time she visited him in prison more than 20 years ago. at the time, he showed no remorse, and today she refuses to speak with him. for years, jen thought the carsons would never get out. but in 2014, a new california state program allowed elderly inmates the possibility of parole. in 2015, michael and susan received hearings. susan was denied and michael will be seeing the board again in 2020. >> do you believe that over 60 years old, your father is still a danger to society? >> i believe that if he were released that he would be harmed or he would ...

Did not respond to cnn's request for comment. after reports last month his son who is not a federal employee helped organize an official listening tour in baltimore last summer. could violate ethics rules. the agency did not surpass the $5,000 limit and provide receipts totaling nearly $3,400. the agency said the only money spent was to put up new binds in carson's and his deputy secretary's office. the agency spent more than $31,000 to replace a dining room set. hud shared these photos.

>> i want to go back to the point you made, on this listening tour, wanting to learn more about various parts of this area. he knows baltimore well. we know him, he associates so much with john hopkins university in baltimore. there's something here that does raise an eyebrow. he already knows that city well. >> dr. carson's job isn't personally to go out and invite people. every secretary that came in this administration was dealing with folks within those agencies that didn't necessarily appreciate what their -- what the secretary's contributions would be. dr. carson, again, going back to hi...

Carson's? they didn't care then. so trump comes over here, exposes them, they are the emperor with no close all of a sudden. nothing was incited. the only thing that has been incited are democrats shooting republicans. >> greg: this guy was a private citizen, concealing his identity. he was posted bigoted stuff, true, but he still a private citizen. and threatening him with outing, because he has these opinions, is kind of creepy, don't you think? >> juan: i agree. i think it's way over the line. i was writing about this because it was fourth of july and i'm a big free speech advocate, and i h...