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From just talking to a foreign diplomat devising information. he would knowingly be engaged in working with a foreign power to clandestinely gather intelligence and information. so it's not just something that is part of a casual conversation that he would have been swept up in. >> i have to ask you as a former cia operative, even, because last night the former chief of operations steve hall thought he was involved in a russian foreign intelligence operation. do you agree with that. >> well, if you read "washington post" reporting on this, they say that they agreed that carter page was knowing...

Is in on it, are you? >> no, just the signs here may be a bit more subtle. both the trump administration and the putin regime are very skilled at political theater, and i think that's what we're seeing here. the fundamentals are the same. >> anita, i want to turn now to you. now, according to the post the fbi was able to obtain the warrant after convincing a judge there was probable cause to believe page was acting as a foreign agent of russia. here's what he said. listen. >> this is -- it's just such a joke that it's beyond words.

It struck most of us as a surprise. but, yeah, i had a number of conversations actually with people about that list of foreign policy advisers, and one of the people who we discussed most was carter page and how we had never heard of this guy and how it didn't make any sense. but now sort of in retrospect when we see there's so many connections between the trump campaign and russia and we learn about carterer page's own connections to russia, now all of a sudden it makes more sense. but i think the question we need to get answered is how exactly did carter page get onto that list of advisers? ...

I talk to diplomats all the time, based in new york. you're always meeting with foreign diplomats. and the reality is whenever you talk to foreign representativeative, the assumption is that on some level it's going to go back to the government in question. again, i never gave him any information which is material or classified or in any way improper, and the assumption is that it would go back, so it's quite an irrelevant question in my view. >> he thought it was a joke, but leerily the fbi or the department of justice didn't think it was a joke or run of the mill meetings, as page said, righ...

About his involvement with ukraine. what do you think -- what other questions do you have about manafort and about people like carter page who had been associated with this administration or at least with the campaign? >> well, certainly from an intel gathering perspective i would wan to know what manafort's involvement was with ukraine. we saw today from a router article that he's involved with payments from the ukraine government. so at this point i think it's fair to say that the fbi would want to sit done and clear up some of this stuff that it's true as carter page says today on the show,...