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he is south africa's most prominent, most controversial political cartoonist. so, amid all of its troubles, is south africa able to laugh at itself? jonathan shapiro, better known by the pen name zapiro, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. well, it's a great pleasure to meet you, and i want to begin with something you said a few years ago. you said, "moral outrage is what drives a cartoonist." you've been at this cartooning for pretty much four decades. can you maintain outrage for four decades? you can. when i was doing five or six cartoons a week, i would sometimes wonder what the hell...

welcome to hardtalk. jonathan shapiro, better known by the pen name zapiro, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. well, it's a great pleasure to meet you, and i want to begin with something you said a few years ago. you said, "moral outrage is what drives a cartoonist." you've been at this cartooning for pretty much four decades. can you maintain outrage for four decades? you can. laughter when i was doing five or six cartoons a week, i would sometimes wonder what the hell i'm going to do today, and you wake up in the morning and the news — itjust keeps coming. it would happen to cartoon...

jonathan shapiro, better known by the pen name zapiro, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. well, it's a great pleasure to meet you, and i want to begin with something you said a few years ago. you said, "moral outrage is what drives a cartoonist." you've been at this cartooning for pretty much four decades. can you maintain outrage for four decades? you can. laughter when i was doing five or six cartoons a week, i would sometimes wonder what the hell i'm going to do today, and you wake up in the morning and the news — itjust keeps coming. it would happen to cartoonists everywhere in th...

to laugh at itself? jonathan shapiro, better known by the pen name zapiro, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. well, it's a great pleasure to meet you, and i want to begin with something you said a few years ago. you said, "moral outrage is what drives a cartoonist." you've been at this cartooning for pretty much four decades. can you maintain outrage for four decades? you can. laughter when i was doing five or six cartoons a week, i would sometimes wonder what the hell i'm going to do today, and you wake up in the morning and the news — itjust keeps coming. it would happen to cartooni...

Very different and for a while, the cartoon sat in the public domain and people thought it was a very funny cartoon, very interesting cartoon. it was talking about — it said another state organ, another organ grinder�*s monkey, because zuma was busy converting the state organs into mouthpieces organs into his mouthpieces and he had appointed this little puppet. but in the end, it was a black man as a monkey. ok, so, when i said i misread the mood, i thought that by having zuma with the big target and done in fully human form, and then the other guy, shaun abrahams, who is done... you even ...