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Mexico's new president. but as our president has said over and over again, this is a problem and there are more people coming. we need to stop it. >> did you stay 12,000? >> 12,000. >> griff has been down there. i believe he's be down there to cover it again. >> the number was 8,000, the more recent one. >> this is a cascading effect. the president tweeting yesterday, he said, only fools or people with a political agenda don't want a wall or steel barrier to protect our country from crimes, drug and human trafficking. it will happen. it always does. that's an illusion to the fact the wall will...

To be spent on security measures that will make a difference. lawmakers were clearly feeling the pressure hearing about the impact of the partial shutdown for constituents and seeking a way out. >> the real ramifications of the shutdown are starting to be seen, it's not an aggregating effect -- i think you'll see a cascading effect. >> a homeland security spokeswoman said backpay should start flowing between 2-3 business days. if the advice with employees is to check with your bosses. >> bret: mike emanuel life on the hill. we'll bring in our panel to deal with the news of this day, byron york...

Waters safe, john avlon, and they're being told to have a garage sale while this meeting falls apart at the white house. >> and i thought fight was over border security. i thought it was over ports of entry and the coast guard clearly does a lot of that. not at the southern border, but it shows the absurdity of the self-inflicted situation we're in. and the meeting at the white house yesterday was more sandbox politics from our leaders. it was pointing fingers, and the president is largely to blame. everyone's going to cast fingbefingers about who behaved worse, but there's an ab sechs adults....

Without because of what the president is doing. on your point on how they are making exceptions in certain cases, having been through shutdowns, they fell into this. they didn't plan for this. for the shutdowns i have been through, we planned months in advance and we knew how much money we had and how it was going to be spent and the cascading effect. we briefed on that well in advance so there were no surprises. >> i don't think it's yet a huge issue for the american public because it's a partial shut down. if it continues for another three or four days, it becomes an issue. going back to the...

But we also need that complimented with the personnel, the border patrol. we need increased technology, particularly at ports of entry where a lot of high value drugs come through. the president could lay out a package of a system of barriers, technology and personnel, i think that would be a winning combination. >> dana: what is your level of concern of the cascading result of the shutdown. there's a cascading effect here. we're coming up this friday would be the first day that the federal workers would not get their pay checks. are you starting to feel some concern about that? >> it's embarr...