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>> did he find himself in the situation where chairman baucus did last year in the finance committee where he continued to negotiate with the republicans and the republicans kept moving the goal posts farther away and the question was should he bail out on these republicans or keep going? we saw in that case baucus keep going and try to get at least one and he got at least one republican on his bill. dodd had, it seemed to me, did he have that same judgment call to make? do i keep talking to them or bail out or go my own way? >> it sounded a lot like deja vu all over again? didn't it? it did h...

Negotiate with republicans and the republicans kept moving the goal posts farther away, and the question was, should he bail out on these republicans or keep going? we saw in that case baucus keep going and try to get at least one, and he got at least one republican on his bill. dodd, it seems to me, had that same kind of judgment call to make, do i keep talking to them or do i bail out and go my own way? >> it sounded deja vu all over again, doesn't it? i think people believe if we had health care reform a few months earlier, it would be passed and we would all be well now. i'm just saying it...

Monday. after ranking republican richard shelby pulled out of negotiations, dodd began talking instead with republican senator bob corker who said it was stunning that dodd shut down talks to move ahead with his own bill without any republican support. in a speech today, our next guest, senator ted kaufman, outlined what he thinks real reform would look like. as senator kaufman joins us tonight from washington. good evening, senator kaufman. is it good news or bad news that senator dodd has given up negotiating with republicans on the banking committee? >> i'll be honest with you, i really don...