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Case most believe. supreme court could also be a dead end if the case doesn't present new legal issues. and i realize that is house ways and means, different committee than your. but could it be that the delays wind up putting both the tax returns and the bank records out right in the heat of the 2020 election? >> well, we absolutely cannot determine the absolute court calendar. but it is possible that for example once the appeals case has been ruled on, that there could be a request to have the case heard what they call unblocked or it could go to the supreme court. and the supreme court coul...

They are now following up with subpoenas. and you see other entities following up too. >> adam schiff has hired a new investigator, a former investigator from sdny. with you yore his supervisor. what do we need to know about this person coming in and what he'll change about the investigation? >> people have been talking a lot about the fact that dan did organized crime cases. >> dan goldman. >> that's right. that's not so important because these are different russians involved here. he knows how to put together a case. he knows what witnesses talk to, what documents to look for, he knows not t...

Instance, these 81 people and entities that they want documents for, as predict and reported, the white house doesn't want to hand those over. so what does judiciary do if the people -- just look at your screen for a second. this is the amount of information they want and what does judiciary do if the white house doesn't comply? >> they'll issue subpoenas. it's going to be a slog because some of these will end up in the courts. but they've cast a wide net. some of those people will comply, some of them will come in. they'll get information from the sources that can't help but comply, for examp...

>> can you tell me who the four people are? >> no, i can't. i won't. >> you keep using the word perjury trap there and as jeffrey toobin went to law school likes to it will me, there's no class and legal definition that includes perjury trap. one way to avoid that is tell the truth, correct? >> no doubt. i've told the truth every time i've sat before congress and the mueller investigation. but we're going on two years since the last time i spoke before congress and we know that, you know, if you look at this -- >> it's a little different now with democrats in charge than it would be with repub...

Refused. >> this case doesn't turn on dna. there was an overwhelming amount of evidence. i could have salted him away without any dna evidence at the trial. >> john mann made his decision that night when he went to the murder scene. he had already made statements to the media that i'm the one who done it. >> they're not going to stop, oops, we made a mistake, it's not hank. >> they wanted to get me out of the way, and they did. >> mann argued that skinner's original defense attorney had known about the dna evidence but made a decision to not have it tested. >> the state said, well, dna existed...