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Interest, at least, in a negotiated resolution that might include cooperation. i think that's a key development. it means something is probably close to happening in that case. >> you spent a lot of your professional life as a prosecuter. as you watched this play out, does general flynn, as he made the moves of someone who is taking steps toward cooperating? >> certainly not that we've seen publicly. the only step we've seen along those lines is the one we saw recently. there's been a lot of speculation because of the seriousness of the potential schashlgs against him and his son that he has e...

Violence that happens in inner cities, in atlanta, in los angeles, and chicago, and other places, we have to stand up and make it clear that we will remember this come november. >> reverend, are you going to apply this law and ban guns in your own church? >> oh, absolutely. we will not allow firearms in our churches. i should say to you that the gun lobby actually wanted this gun law in terms of churches, it's now opt in. they wanted it to be opt out. which would have meant we would have had to have a sign on our church saying no guns allowed. in this case, we indicate that we don't intend to ...

And i think that there are many, many people who deserve a ton of credit for getting the country to the place that -- where we're at now. but the truth is, that this case garnered huge headlines. the pairing up of this kind of marquee lawyers attracted mainstream press in a way that it really hadn't before. this cause had not. everybody was writing about this case. maureen dowd was there. there were tv crews there. there was a documentary on cnn about this case. i think the newsworthiness of the case and the decision that i made, spending the four years writing about it, is absolutely, you kno...

Saying we're somewhat fringe that came into the game late. first of all, do you regret characterizing it as, this is the beginning of the movement? >> no, not at all. because that's not how -- that's not what it says. if you look at -- >> this is how the revolution begins. >> sure, but if you look at how we sort of describe this book, the book is about -- there's not a lot of talk about what the book isn't about. it's not a history of the entire gay movement event. and not a history of the marriage equality movement. the flap jacket when you describe a book -- >> look, the cover says inside th...

Then you compare him to rosa parks. do you regret that comparison? do you think that holds up to scrutiny? >> look, i'd like to answer the first question first. >> sure. >> when i say this is how a revolution begins. it's an insurrection. the entire legal establishment was opposed to taking a case to federal court. and for good reason that i describe. they were worried, they were scared there wasn't five votes. so this was absolutely a revolutionary step to take. and one that was very controversial at the time. and i think you're sort of seeing that play out now. >> but isn't it also fair to s...