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That being said that is -- you're talking about a man who's the former kgb officer, who ran human intelligence officers into west germany, vladimir putin, was the director of the fsb, which is the kgb with different letters and he would know how to manipulate or get people to manipulate to one or two degrees of separation anyone to do the kremlin's bidding if they were so ideologically inclined. >> so compromising can can take place electronically, take take place conversationally for someone who is adept and mentally. >> yes, but russia use what is we call hybrid warfare which is every compon...

>> yes, but russia use what is we call hybrid warfare which is every component of military, political, diplomatic and intelligence power is brought to bear on nation state no, sir this case individuals. and i believe certainly in my book i wrote it's less of a political non-fiction than it is an intelligence analysis of how the fsb and its intelligence components would have surrounded donald trump through the russian ole garry of which putin requires an fsb or ex-kgb officer. you cannot be rich in russia without having the fsb or kgb at your finger to do the bidding of putin and how they would...