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her on the stand. his attorney will come along and say, "she's full of it. " >> yeah, and in this particular case it's, yeah. you know what? that in itself is not gonna do it, nor should it. we're still in a situation where this has to come from him. >> him, meaning shane ragland. evans told her they had to find a way to get shane to admit on tape what he did. otherwise, what jury would buy such a ludicrous motive for murder? there was only one way, he told her, she'd have to wear a wire. >> she wasn't very happy with that obviously. >> i should think not. >> yeah. she asked me if i could spell anonymous. >> but, he said, she came
to meet this mystery woman, a woman who was claiming she knew what happened to trent digiuro, but was too frightened to talk about it. then finally with attorney tom bullock playing gatekeeper, they made a deal to at least meet face to face. but any more than that? maybe not. >> it was like, "listen, don't get me involved in this. this guy's dangerous. so, until you get handcuffs on him, you can't involve me. " >> but evans knew, even if he did arrest the guy, a mystery woman testifying about something an ex-boyfriend told her wouldn't be enough. i can imagine a prosecutor saying, well, i can't just put her on the stand. his attorney will come along and say, "she's full of it. " >> yeah, and in this particular case it's, yeah. you know what? that in itself is not gonna do it, nor should it. we're still in a situation where this has
and just ask that it be kept under wraps until we can get him secured. i mean, we negotiated that. it was like, listen, don't get me involved in this. i want to do this for the family. this guy's dangerous. so until you get handcuffs on him, you can't involve me." >> reporter: but evans knew, even if he did arrest the guy, a mystery woman testifying about something an ex-boyfriend told her wouldn't be enough. >> i can imagine a prosecutor saying, well, i can't just put her on the stand, his attorney will come along and say, "she's full of it." >> yeah, and in this particular case it's, yeah. you know what? that in itself is not gonna do it, nor should it. we're still in a situation where this has to come from him. >> reporter: him, meaning shane ragland. evans told her they had to find a way to get shane to admit on tape what he did, otherwise what jury would buy such a ludicrous motive for murder? there was only one way, he told her, she'd have to wear a wire.
don't get me involved. i want to do this for the family. this guy is dangerous. but until you get handcuffs on him, you can't involve me. >> evans knew even if he arrested the guy, a mystery woman testifying about something an ex-boyfriend told her, it wouldn't be enough. >> i can imagine the prosecutor saying, i can't just put her on the stand. his attorney will come along and say, "she's full of it." >> yeah, and in this particular case it's, yeah. you know what? that in itself is not gonna do it, nor should it. we're still in a situation where this has to come from him. >> him, meaning shane ragland. evans told her they had to find a way to get shane to admit on tape what he did, otherwise what jury would buy such a ludicrous motive for murder? there was only one way, he told
>> it was like, "listen, don't get me involved in this. this guy's dangerous. so until you get handcuffs on him, you can't involve me. " >> but evans knew, even if he did arrest the guy, a mystery woman testifying about something an ex-boyfriend told her wouldn't be enough. >> i can imagine a prosecutor saying, well, i can't just put her on the stand, his attorney will come along and say, "she's full of it. " >> yeah, and in this particular case it's, yeah. you know what? that in itself is not gonna do it, nor should it. we're still in a situation where this has to come from him. >> him, meaning shane ragland. evans told her they had to find a way to get shane to admit on tape what he did, otherwise what jury would buy such a ludicrous motive for murder? there was only one way, he told her, she'd have to wear a wire. >> she wasn't very happy with that obviously. >> i should think not. >> yeah. she asked me if i
about a lot of stuff that, you know, i think most people would consider, like, quite horrifying and shocking. you know, i think as a general rule, often if the evidence against you -- in this case it's, like, 400,000 text messages, hundreds of hours of wiretaps. you know, i'm not sure there are many other defenses available besides entrapment because there's a lot of evidence. you know, that said, i think for someone who doesn't, you know, follow these cases and these kinds of cases closely, that the role of the fbi in helping to really work with these people, befriend these people, text these people at all hours of the day and night, be with them all the time is quite huge. >> yeah. yeah. and the question that lingers on your reporting is but for those informants, does this plot come together and do you not catch people who would have done
least meet face to face. busts anymore than that, maybe not. >> there was like, listen built, get me involved in. this this guy is changed dangerous. so until you get handcuffs on him, you can't involve me. >> but evans knew, even if you did arrests the guy, a mystery woman testifying about something and ex-boyfriend told her. wouldn't be enough. >> i can imagine a prosecutor saying, well i can't just put her on the stand. his attorney will come along and say she's full of. it >> yeah, and in this particular case it's, that in itself is not gonna do it. nor should. we're still in a situation where this has to come from him. >> him meaning shane ragland. evidence told her they had to find a way to get shane to admit on tape what he did. otherwise which jury would buy such a ludicrous motive for murder? there was only one way, he told her. she'd have to wear a wire.
negotiated that. >> it was like, "listen, don't get me involved in this. i mean i want to bring this to the family. i want to do this but this guy's dangerous. so until you get handcuffs on him, you can't involve me." >> but evans knew, even if he did arrest the guy, a mystery woman testifying about something an ex-boyfriend told her wouldn't be enough. >> i can imagine a prosecutor saying, well, i can't just put her on the stand, his attorney will come along and say, "she's full of it." >> yeah, and in this particular case it's, yeah. you know what? that in itself is not gonna do it, nor should it. we're still in a situation where this has to come from him. >> him, meaning shane ragland. evans told her they had to find a way to get shane to admit on tape what he did, otherwise what jury would buy such a ludicrous motive for murder? there was only one way, he told her, she'd have to wear a wire. >> she wasn't very happy with that obviously. >> i should think not. >> yeah.
>> it was like, "listen, don't get me involved in this. this guy's dangerous. so until you get handcuffs on him, you can't involve me." >> reporter: but evans knew, even if he did arrest the guy, a mystery woman testifying about something an ex-boyfriend told her wouldn't be enough. >> i can imagine a prosecutor saying, well, i can't just put her on the stand, his attorney will come along and say, "she's full of it." >> yeah, and in this particular case it's, yeah. you know what? that in itself is not gonna do it, nor should it. we're still in a situation where this has to come from him. >> reporter: him, meaning shane ragland. evans told her they had to find a way to get shane to admit on tape what he did, otherwise what jury would buy such a ludicrous motive for murder? there was only one way, he told her, she'd have to wear a wire. >> she wasn't very happy with that obviously. >> i should think not. >> yeah. she asked me if i could spell anonymous.
economically great? >> it's not just france. it's really all of southern europe. you have a tradition of this state control. part of the public sector. in this case it's, what, closer to 35%? it's just a whole different relationship, joe, between the individual and the state. and people essentially have opted for degrees of security over anything that was risky, even if the risk had a potentially higher upside. people just always embraced a version of the status quo, which had -- >> do you see that, richard? >> not a lot. think about macron, his ambitious reform approaches would, what, scale back the size of the state sector from 56 or 57% to, what, 52%? it's hardly revolutionary. that's the real danger here. if he doesn't do well there, if he doesn't do a better job on security and figure out how to