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Reliant on the defensive measures. this debate was a debate in the obama administration that you were a part of. walk us through it. where are you on this issue? >> i very much consider what's been happening to be a national security threat. when you talk about taking down our basic infrastructure, major pipeline providing fuel to the east coast, our meat procession operations, transportation systems, it raises my greatest fear about what could happen with the cyberattack. it goes back to when i was secretary. iran used something when they deployed against an oil company in saudi arabia and de...
Game, you are going to have to pay a price. that signal needs to be sent. >> i gotta ask you about ufos. the truth is out there. the question i have is, we have been reading about these -- it's mostly been observations from navy personnel. when you have seen this unidentifiable stuff, is your presumption that it is a china or russia testing some crazy technology that we somehow don't have? or are we over assuming the abilities of china and russia, and if it's not us, that it's something otherworldly? >> it's been going on a long time. there's speculation. i have never seen any evidence that an...
Believes they are to our national security. courtney kube joins me now. when you think the conventional warfare, they have targets. they have a potential list of targets if we went to war with iran. is this something that they have mapped out over the years and they are just now thinking about using it? are they beginning the mapping out process? >> reporter: we now know -- this comes from some reporting from our colleague that in 2019 the nsa started spying on some of the cyber criminals to try to determine who potential targets would be. not just potential targets for offensive operations bu...
For whether it's facebook or any entity that's private that you go public, you agree to certain terms and conditions. right? most people -- i'm guessing the former president who is not known to be a reader may not have read the terms and conditions. the minute he clicked okay or somebody on his behalf, he basically lost any potential rights he might have had anyway, correct? >> that's right. those are long, complicated agreements that we all click through. i do it, too. i don't read the rental car agreement. that said, it's not a first amendment issue. whatever rights he has are spelled out in...