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>> this is the pushback you get. you don't think they are a flight risk, they should be released. people would say, hey, the rate of folks detained, released, given a court date and acty showing up for that court date, there is a lot of people who don't do that. >> i would tell them to actually look at the statistics involving asylum seekers. the obama administration put in a case management program that was 95% to 98% effective. the reason is because once you pass your initial asylum screening which most of these people have, you have a vested interest in coming back because you don't want to...

Situation -- it's better than separating the child, better than separating the child. i mean, it is so bad. these little kids are going to sleep every night clinging to pictures of their parents. at some point we need to move from an abstract debate about policy arguments to taking into account these human consequences. >> and we have to balance heart and head here. we have to keep the facts straight. 75% show for the hearing. not don't show, 75% show, that means 25% do not, but that's being made into more. >> and for asylum seekers it's higher. so there was a program developed -- >> even more...

Bracelets. we hear the number is 75%. there's certain community programs, with sponsorship, get it over 90% and we'll show up. that's being used by the administration saying none of them show up. are you okay with people putting tracking bracelets on them? >> i think in an exteam are situation -- it's better than separating the child, better than separating the child. it's so bad. these little kids are going to sleep every night clinging to pictures of their parents. at some point we need to move from an abstract debate about policy arguments to taking into account these human consequences. >>...

Reliable system? what would you do with these families where you need more time to decide their asylum cases. we did have a reliable system, a system in the family case management program that turned out people according to the inspector general of 100% at their hearings. and it use -- they used combinations. they used electronic tracking, they used people who speak the language of the people. tracked where they were with cell phones. they basically stayed in close touch. that worked. and it cost a fraction, a tiny fraction of imprisonment. it was better for the kids, better for the parents. i...

Worked, that many people are basically released with their kids. they disappear into the united states, and 75% may come back and appear in court like they are supposed to, but 25% don't. >> there was a case management program enacted or put together to improve on this. and the only report i have seen on this, is that they have had a 99% response rate. people showing up for their hearings. it costs far less money than imprisoning people. i haven't seen an independent assessment that is accurate. but the idea of having a case management that tracks people. makes sure they turn out. and keeps th...