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People they perceive are enemies. >> he's accused -- the inspector general concluded he misled investigators about his role authorizing information to "the wall street journal." does he lack credibility? >> i agree he's got a credibility problem. the lies he told to the inspector general were serious. he did that under penalty of perjury, and there may be consequences for it. as josh says in the real world of criminal cases and trials, you almost never get a witness who's purely one thing or another. when you get a situation like this you have to just apply your common sense. whose version of ...

Lie. that's a strategy the white house employed, just to destroy people they perceive are enemies. >> he's accused -- the inspector general concluded he misled investigators about his role authorizing information to "the wall street journal." does he lack credibility? >> i agree he's got a credibility problem. the lies he told to the inspector general were serious. he did that under penalty of perjury, and there may be consequences for it. as josh says in the real world of criminal cases and trials, you almost never get a witness who's purely one thing or another. when you get a situation like...