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Speculative based on what we know here, but certainly something to keep an eye on as this case moves forward. >> joyce, i want to follow up and ask you sort of a question that i posed to jonathan turley. what dupg aboo you think about this case is? it started -- i can't help but think as someone who went through the impeachment of bill clint clinton, watching throughout the 1990s a failed land deal turn into the impeachment over the president's extraordinary bad personal judgment. and we -- we were a long way from where we began in white water. and most people look at kenneth starr's investiga...

I've tried to -- i made this -- this story will not be a problem, they didn't have some discussion, they seemed to share a lot of conversation and strategy, so just is almost unbelievable to me that at some point the president was not made aware of the payment. that is hard to imagine and why in the world would cohen put $130,000 of his own money in, you know, at that point. that seems ridiculous. >> safe to say you're not paying out hundreds of thousands of dollars out of the goodness of your heart on behalf of your clients. >> i would not be stroking a check for it and i certainly if the pre...

You don't understand how this works. >> it gave a bigger boost. she wasn't paid for the interview, but is ben knefiting other ways, making public appearances. so the high ratings will put more pressure on the white house, on president trump and maybe even more importantly on his lawyers. as this case moves forward. we heard from daniels' lawyer saying he has more evidence, will share it in the future. daniels and her lawyer want to keep this in the news and the "60 minutes" interview helped with that. people can judge for themselves, watch for themselves and see if she is credible and it will ...

And also an effort here to distance himself from paul man for the emphasizing in that conversation with you that he was only the campaign manager for about 3 1/2 months. >> yeah, the president tried to do this delicate dance with manafort where he didn't offend him, he praised him, but also said if you look at other republican president, manafort has done a lot more work for them than he did for me. it was ochl a leanly a three mo. its of really kind of trying to put the arm's distance between them. the real question, what will the president do as manafort's case moves forward. he has been ind...

And chris ray. they will be talking about charlottesville after a weekend that rocked that city. numbers and scores of injuries. one young woman heather heyer is dead. shortly, just a short time ago you saw in charlottesville we covered what we could have the hearing there that we know that bale has been denied for him. he said that he was unable to afford an attorney prior to the first public defender that was set up for him was somebody who had a relative injured in the violence this weekend. they went on to yet another appointment. that case moves forward. another hearing shortly in august....