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They know. but what is interesting if you read that indictment, it is not just a campaign finance violation. there are two counts of 18 us 371 which is conspiracy which is a more important charge so they are looking at prison time. and so they will certainly be annin sentive for them to flip. i don't want to get too far ahead of things but it is also potential that they may have information that may cause the justice department to seek a special counsel. and that may be a whole other possibility to consider. but they are going to be -- they are in serious trouble. you don't get indicted or pic...

>> and then as it pertains to the supreme court, what was the breakdown of the vote by the justices? >> reporter: well, fred, this is a very narrow decision a 5-4 ruling with the five conservative justices ruling that the president could access this money, and three of the liberal leaning justices ruled that the administration should not be able to touch this pentagon money at all while the case proceeds. that was justice elena kagan, justice ruth bader ginsburg and the fourth justice steven breyer argued in his separate dissent that the administration could use this money for preparatory purp...

Wolf. but i'll say this. each time that michael cohen makes a statement that ultimately is proven to be true regarding donald trump, i think that boosts his credibility as it relates to various issues. >> if there's no trial, and there won't be a trial, he's already pleaded guilty, will the public see the evidence against cohen? >> well, i think they may very well see the evidence against cohen, and donald trump in connection with our case. because this does not have a bearing as to whether our case proceeds or not. our case is going to proceed. we're going to proceed with the civil case. and ...

Looking at and you can read from the court filings and some indictments against paul manafort, michael flynn and what we know about him both from his indictment and from reporting as well, i don't think michael flynn is -- criminal activity has been fully exposed. i think there's more to it that will come out as this case proceeds. i think there may be more paul manafort collusion that comes out. remember that rod rosenstein extended the scope of the mandate to include collusion related to manafort in addition to all of the money laundering, bank fraud, and tax fraud crimes that he's already b...

Saying he's taking the fifth in the case. what does that mean? >> the civil action pending in southern california in the central district and michael cohen has filed a statement that he will take the fifth amendment if that case proceeds. that's very significant. the reason he's taking it is because of the pending investigation here in the southern district of new york and the reason behind that is that typically and i've had this happen in cases i've handled myself, you don't want a client proceeding in a civil matter when he has a pending criminal investigation. not necessarily that's he's b...