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Saying immunity waynes about 6% every six weeks or so. that that is a piece of data but the immunity does not wayne for protection for severe illness. how severe are the break through infection, and all the way to people who are much sicker, does it seem to fall in a particular pattern, is that more so for the el elderly and how long does the booster last and how much does it reduce transmission, right? and that is a big question. how much do the vaccines reduce transmission. let me show you quickly israel because they're a living lab in some ways to what we're seeing here in the united states...

We going -- are we going to pivot and really hinge a lot of our decisions on breakthrough cases? >> uh-huh. >> because they don't necessarily correlate with the level of vaccination or boosting. >> but i think what -- what you said last was important. that their hospitalization rates and their death rates are down, right? but their case rates are up. well, that's good. isn't -- that means that the vaccine is working? >> that -- that -- that's exactly right. and so, there are many people who say the vaccines are working so why do we need to boost them? what exactly are we trying to achieve with...

Vaccines. they've got about 64% of the country vaccinated. they've been boosting since august. how do their cases look? what would you think their cases are doing? let me show you. this is what it looks like now throughout the pandemic. and you can see they're at the highest seven-day average of new coronavirus cases that they've ever been. and that's despite having a very high vaccination rate and starting to boost. i think -- luckily, their hospitalizations and deaths are low. the vaccines are working. but i think it's going to be an important question, don, for tomorrow and going forward. a...

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Now for some time, something we're considering doing. but take a look at where they are in the trajectory of this pandemic. right now in terms of cases, this is just cases, not necessarily symptomatic or hospitalizations or deaths, they are at the highest numbers they have been despite the fact that so much of the country has been vaccinated and they have started giving basilicaers. so just keep that in mind that boosters may not necessarily bring down case rates. people may still carry the virus in their nose and mouth probably not get that sick or sick at all, but the boosters may not change...