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Concerns. >> betsy stevenson, a former member of president obama's advisors. she joins me now. betsy, i guess to start with the basic idea here that joe biden said a ton on the campaign, which is that you can't -- like there is no get the economy back bought dealing with the pandemic and the pandemic flared up again and so then here we are. >> right. the virus drives the economics here. it always has and it's going to continue to do that. and when we see case numbers that are rising, hospitalizations that are rising, i actually think the surprising thing is how well the economy is doing in the...

When we saw, you know, case rates that were much lower than even what we're seeing right now. >> yeah. i mean that speaks, i think, to the court of catch-22 i articulated at the top of the show which is because of the presence of widely available vaccines, we're not seeing the big policy, you know, interventions like close down all of the bars in the city or close down venues because that just seems unfair, right, when people can choose to get vaccinated, you can do it relatively safely. in that respect i saw that airline numbers were down, august travel was down like 33% from 2019. i thought ...

Florida and mississippi, and i hope people pause and just consider the life and death consequences of that decision. we have among the lowest positivity rates in america. they have the highest positivity rates in america. we have one of the lowest case rates in america. they have among the highest case rates in america. >> joining me is congresswoman karen bass of california and christine pelosi from california. i have to tell you right now, congresswoman bass, the thing keeping me up -- a lot is keeping me up lately, but the thing that is really leaving me up is the idea of a super texas in c...

Increase. we can show you over the past month or so, take a look. that's obviously not direction that you want to be going. that's a pretty steep slope and the concern is that it will continue to go up. some projections. 75% of k-12 students could be exposed within the next three months. two other things jumped out at me, john. one is that you're starting to see a definitive split in terms of the impact of vaccinations on kids. if you're unvaccinated you're ten times more likely to be hospitalized versus if you're vaccinated, and this is for kids 17 and younger. and also the case rates. i just...

They said stay outdoors as much as possible, people might listen to that. that's not like saying that in december. it's still really warm all over the country. that is a helpful hint. or if you're going to travel, be aware you're more likely to spread covid at an airport than on the plane. why? the planes have a hepa filter and fill administration. the department of defense studied this. the chance of spreading it on planes if you're masked is very low. those are practical suggestions. just don't travel. people are going to travel. that's my take on that. it's not going to work. >> martha: goo...