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It was virtually certain at the beginning of those 85 days that the president would be impeached because the evidence of what became the abuse of power article of impeachment was right there in the phone call, right there in the smoking gun. in all previous political dramas of this sort the investigations began with suspicions, then the investigators slowly collected evidence and testimony, and then toward the end of the investigation they found the smoking gun. in richard nixon's case tapes of his white house conversations. and that was the end of president nixon. in that classic unfolding of...

Legal grounding. for instance, on the idea of interviewing trump, as your story reports, the memo says, as you know, under our system of government, the president is not readily available to be interviewed. now that's not talking about the fact that he is busy, busy doing thing, it mean there is no mechanism, they argue, for mueller to just cause the president to be interviewed. there would have to some hoops to go through. >> well, it's a little of both, actually. we have never had a situation where the president was -- any president was compelled to testify before a grand jury for example, b...