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Religious objections. that's what the supreme court does and should talk about. >> there's a lot going to be said in the next eight or nine weeks to iron this house once we have the nominee. david, what are you going to be watching most closely? we've been told phil mattingly, this is an all-out war and we could say that bon both sides. >> of course it will be. this matters, let's remind people, this does change the direction of the court. anthony kennedy who has been in some ways a huge disappointment to conservatives because of his ruling on the casey case upholding roe v. wade and gay right...

Believes that once rights are recognized they will not be taken away. that includes the right to abortion that he hechd reserve and the rights to gay people he helped establish including the right to marry and be treated equally in our society. of course time will tell. i'm joined by nina totenberg, npr legal affairs correspondent and the author of the article, and cecil -- cecile -- why do i do this? i know you forever. cecile richards, former president of planned parenthood. thank you both. nina, i've known you forever. you're probably the most famous person covering the court. how do you se...

But i think this will do it for him. too bad. there were other people being considered. but, you know, be fair to kennedy. he voted conservative more often than not. the issue is he voted -- he didn't vote pro life on two critical cases. the casey case, and the recent one on gay marriage. and those are obviously third rail hot issues. that is what got him in a bad rep with conservatives. >> melissa: so as somebody who has looked at picking somebody before and put someone up, as you look at the list or con template this, what would -- contemplate this, what would you advise? >> bill: can i be s...

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>> didn't think of that. and john cole train. >> the dragons. >> not like heavy death metal, anything besides any kind of top 40 something like that. >> nobody uses that phrase anymore. >> with casey case am and all the hits. >> i would like to give you something different but the stand the test of time. >> how about new year's day? >> that same song. >> nothing you choose as your favorite band. >> i am going purely to irritate