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that play out in our justice system now? >> yeah. well, a, good to be back. missed you, buddy. it's one of those situations where we are prejudged all the time. we don't get the benefit of the doubt that you're just simply jogging in a nice neighborhood. you know, you're casing it. we don't get the benefit of the doubt that we're just shopping and we're not going to shoplift or that we're lawfully carrying as i do as a second amendment advocate but you know, there may be something wrong. kyle rittenhouse clearly got that benefit of the doubt. and that's the dichotomy that we see playing out in these trials. as you know, i've been there in these cases. when i had walter scott, there was an air that we were fighting to prove he wasn't guilty, not that the cops were guilty. same thing with george floyd. when i was there in court every day. we were fighting to prove george floyd wasn't guilty of his own death. same thing with ahmaud arbery. but with rittenhouse we see
one had been released since 1985. mr. aziz. the other, mr. islam, was let go in 1987 but since passed in 2009. but when we think about the unequal justice with kyle rittenhouse, just the grace that kyle rittenhouse received from the police in kenosha in contrast to ahmaud arbery in georgia is really remarkable. >> chris, you make the point that black people never get the benefit of the doubt in america. talk to me about what you mean about that, and how do you see that play out in our justice system now? >> yeah. well, a, good to be back, man. missed you, buddy. >> you as well. >> it's one of those situations where we are pre-judged all the time. we don't get the benefit of the doubt that you're just simply jogging in a nice neighborhood. you know, you're casing it. we don't get the benefit of the doubt that we're just shopping
that saved dismem will keep them together. >> how long do they need to be monitored, medically? years? >> i am very cautious. i would monitor them for several months at the very least. and years for the reasons we are talking about, lock-term effects from the vapors, long-term effects of mrks ptsd. that can take several months to happen. you don't feel t. you are numb when you come out. you don't see any of it in their faces. but we may see it down the line. >> the respiratory and the neurological deficits strike me as the most likely. >> we have been talking about that for years with the world trade center. you may see it here. it's not the same thing because nothing is burning. but there is a lot of toxic vapors. and methane is number 1. >> and i think we have all experienced hardship in our life, and we have all had things that take years to get over. i can't imagine what it's like to go through what they went through? >> absolutely. by the way, talking about methanes, the first sign of methane intoxication is
tell you a lot as they were drilling what they were drilling through and so forth t. seems like all the experts that were on the site down there felt that the bore hole is adequate to -- to do what has to be done. and that, without casing it. >> joseph, we have been spending a lot of time talking about the psychological issues here, both in terms of getting them out and what they are going to experience down the libe. we see them and they look exuberant. what was your situation in pennsylvania? >> reporter: things went very quickly. the mine was filling up with water. the miners thought they were going to drown. they actually were forced up into a corner where they tied themselves together and made notes to their family. it was 78 hours and they were underground and in the morning thursday, 11:00 to saturday morning, 10:00, we had no communication with them. that's when we drilled through
for. it seems like all the experts said the bore hole is adequate . to do what has to be done inut it and without casing it. >> we have been spending a lotof of time talking about psychological issues here,--nd both in terms of getting them to out. then we see them and they are exuberant.he what was your experience fromexn the case in pennsylvania from a psychological perspective? >> things went quickly.houghty it was filling up with wateruall and they were thinking theyhere were going to drowned. they tied themselves up in the t corner and wrote notes to their family. in under76 hours they were out. and for awhile we had no communication. that's when we drilled through with the rescue hole and found out all nine were alive and in
on the telephone is dr. patricia watson, a senior education specialist at the national center for post traumatic stress disorder, assistant psychiatry professor at date muth medical school. doctor, are these going to be lifetime emotions for these miners? they will bear this for the rest of their day? caller: well, i think when anything like this happens to anyone, it will be with them for the rest of their life. it's meant to change you. in many ways when you go through somethingb this big. toze whether or not they will be suffering from it, that's a different question because for many people, this type of thing is the essential wake-up call that we hear about that brings them closer to a sense of what is important to them in life, who means something to them, what they want to do with their lives, how they make meaning in their life. and for a certain percentage of people, they tell carry with
trapped. unfortunately, they were trapped underground for so long, but it happened to be in an emergency shelter, which probably, i would say definitely aided them i. think about the luck of that. it just happened when they went in to this shelter at that very moment that the collapse occurred. had it been a few minutes later, a few minutes before, who knows. on the telephone is dr. patricia watson, a senior education specialist at the national center for post traumatic stress disorder, assistant psychiatry professor at date muth medical school. doctor, are these going to be lifetime emotions for these miners? they will bear this for the rest of their day? caller: well, i think when anything like this happens to anyone, it will be with them for the rest of their life. it's meant to change you. in many ways when you go through somethingb this big. toze whether or not they will be suffering from it, that's a
stretcher. but you can see the men could easily walk away from this ordeal, at least the first three anyway. we could see some problems later on. and of course, there is a tape delay. this picture is controlled by chilean television. there is a 20-second delay fwe see any problems. and if there were real bad cases, the chilean flag would have been moved in the picture, really blocking our view. but so far, we have been able to see everything, see the miepers greet their family, greet everybody, their friends and co-workers and really jump on top of the stretcher, having no need for it, but at least going through the protocol. >> we see them on the gurney. he goes through the doors, is that like a make-shift hospital? where is he going through those doors? >> reporter: sure. part of that -- that tunnel there was -- was intended to obscure the video you from the cameras on this hill. but that hasn't been necessary,
screen, the next miner to emerge. three have been saved, so far. but there are 30 others who are still... waiting to get to the surface. and one should be in a capsule pretty shortly. this could be one of the individuals who is suffering from some of the health issues here. i want to go back to something you touched on earlier, the heart conditions, the stroke, the possibilities here, are those some of the first things you check for, doctor? >> absolutely. you check blood pressure, obviously. i think it's going to be low, coming out of this situation for most people. you will get an ekg to see if there is damage. you will listen to the heart, listen to the chest. now, a lot of this could have happened without being detected. you could have a heart attack, a small amount of damage without knowing it. i would be concerned about that in a person with high blood pressure na person with diabetes. >> with this heat? >> with this heat. and with the dehydration that they clearly experienced. you know, they got the nuclients, but they didn't get
like all the experts that were on the site down there felt that the bore hole is adequate to -- to do what has to be done. and that, without casing it. >> joseph, we have been spending a lot of time talking about the psychological issues here, both in terms of getting them out and what they are going to experience down the libe. we see them and they look exuberant. what was your situation in pennsylvania? >> reporter: things went very quickly. the mine was filling up with water. the miners thought they were going to drown. they actually were forced up into a corner where they tied themselves together and made notes to their family. it was 78 hours and they were underground and in the morning thursday, 11:00 to saturday morning, 10:00, we had no communication with them. that's when we drilled through and put the rescue hole and found out all nine were alive