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>> are you? >> yes. going back to what michael said. he did have a lot of skills in the beginning. one of the things he doesn't boast about, his greatest skill is his salesmanship. he can sell ice in the wint tore eskimos. he built his reputation on him selling himself and this deal making thing is a part of that and he has sold himself to people. in looking back at it, well, some deals were good. by launch, most of them were not so good. like the later ones the plaza and the shuttle. >> the casino stuff that didn't end well, right? >> no no it didn't. especially the taj mahal, which was proba...

Personality he can somehow make something happen. >> yes, but that owouldn't explain he doesn't want anybody to know what was said. i'm very worried about that, to be honest. >> are you? >> yes. but going back to what michael said, he did have a lot of skills in the beginning. and one of the things he doesn't boast about, his greatest skill is his salesmanship. he could sell ice in the winter to eskimos. he built his reputation on him selling himself and this dealmaking thing is a part of and he has sold himself to people. in looking back at it, well, some deals were good. by and large, most o...

Going to do and how he's going to do it. i think we'll have a lot more of these awkward moments as he tries to figure out how to become a politician. >> awkward moment is a nice way to say it. what people saw in that debate, again, 23 million of them, saw this, wasn't that donald trump was being hunted by the other candidates. but there was an elevation of the game in that debate. people were coming with heavy artillery of information, of rationales, of policy, of contrasting things, of history. do you think that was part of the reason he was so quiet in the debate? he was shell shocked by the...

Of different ways. >> the insult that trump had said about carly fiorina's looks and that was brought out in the debate, is that the moment you were talking about? >> for her, that was the moment. you saw other people get under his skin. both carly and jeb went after him on the casino stuff. which he gets very squirrely about. casinos are engineered to take money from stupid people. he should be able to do this easily. they have a history of piling up debt and going bankrupt. he gets agitated about examining his business dealings and background. and none of them on the stage tonight had -- tru...

An eventual bill doesn't hurt enterprise? >> if we don't have the guts to clean up an industry that is doing things that are wrong, then we ought to put the vacancy sign on this building. this is a ridiculous notion, let us do whatever we wants for rampant greed or we'll take our football and go to another country. if that's the case, good riddance. there's plenty of things these investment banks can do that will make them still profitable. the idea that this kind of casino stuff -- this isn't the meat of their business. they are supposed to be locating investments for companies to go public. ...