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An inflection point a year ago. what do you think has happened? are we still there? >> well, i think we're there, but our democratic institutions are not, don. your book talks about this, and we talked about this a lot in the last year or so. i think what this shows is that casting a spotlight on the criminal justice system is going to be part of the solution, but it's not enough. we need to transform the criminal justice system from root to stem, and that means judges, juries, prosecutors. we need to dekars rate, and we really need to give each other much more grace, meaning that law enforcem...

Of fear of being judged or assumed you're doing something wrong. it's just an ill that we could fix. but as time goes on we'll start figuring out what unity is. >> listen, we know that the way forward is not always smooth. right? you have some hiccups. but peniel it feels like -- you even wrote a book about it. it feels like country was at an inflection about a year ago about the george floyd protests, police reform and the talk of that and social justice. what do you think has happened? what's happened? are we still there? >> well, i think we're there but our democratic institutions are not, ...